New Iraqi offensive?

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Originally posted by Asinine:

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They are doing all they can to discredit Bush. They have nothing to offer the American public.

Webster's defines hypocracy as...

I got news for you. It is NOT going quite well. The Secretary of Defense, the commanders of the armed forces, and the CIA can't agree on most things strategy wise, we move farther from the goal of "creating a democratic Iraq" (which was the goal after "liberating Iraq" which came after "breaking one of Al Queda's allies" which came after "destroying the WMD that were an 'immediate threat' to the US") every day!

Your badmouthing another politcal party (with no supporting facts) doesn't change that fact.


With all due respect sir....but I think you are the kind of guy who panics for just about everything. If you are going to call someone a hypocrit.....then start with yourself. When I started this, all I had in mind was discussing if the recent uprising in Iraq was a good way of getting rid of these rats or not.....you immediately hijacked the post and made it a political statement.....just like the democRATS turned the 9/11 comission into a political rally today.
Iraq is actually going quite well.....you should stop listening to CNN and ABC and get some real feedback from some of the troops on the ground.
 
According to one of the Marines on the ground the Marines are knocking the stuffing out of these rats that murdered those Americans! I would rather believe a soldier in the field who is actually there. The Marines have lost something like 20 Marines, and that is sad, but hundreds of these rats have been killed. The Marines apparently control most of the city and you don't see the rats marching in their demonstrations in the streets of that city anymore!

A news reporter who is there and sounded very tired said that he was incredibly impressed with the Marines. He said that they could go from being soldiers to statesmen in seconds.

Probably 75% of the population of Iraq just want peace and a new start in life. It probably was a big mistake for the rats to come out and fight and stop using just hit and run tactics. They are being torn to pieces.

Instead they are turning in desperation to tactics like kidnapping the 3 Japanese civilians and threatening to burn them alive if Japan does not withdraw its troops from Iraq.

People are not seeing the real story in Iraq. There are problems but there is not a civil war, at least not yet. There are actually only a few people involved in trying to fight the Americans and their allies.

The way things are currently going this 'uprising' will be over in a month or less.
 
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"They even attempted to overrun an American compound with a force of about 100 men...This is our chance to purge out (aka, kill) these thugs once and for all."

Sure, taking out 100 foreign fighters would be a piece of cake. But U.S. military commanders have estimated the al-Sadr force at 3,000 strong. A front page article in Monday's L.A. Times starts out, "Thousands of followers of a virulently anti-American Shiite cleric heeded his calls for an uprising against the U.S. occupation, storming police stations..." So that's 3,000 nuts loyal to just one turd in just one city in Iraq. Multiply that all the tribal factions and territories across the country, and we're talking many thousands of well armed fighters, not "100 men."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/iraq

"Things are going quite well in Iraq."

What kind of drugs you on, Pick? I've gotta get me some, whatever they are. LSD, I'm guessing. Or perhaps good 'ol Mary Jane..? Just today, ol' Rummy Boy himself disagreed with you, stating that US troops are facing a "serious problem" in Iraq as they seek to quell armed uprisings across the country. He also stated that personnel scheduled to be rotated out of the country will remain there due to a shortage of troops. Evidently this is all because "things are going quite well," as you say.

So, who's your dealer? And what can I get from him?


Why you gotta be such an idiot and start personal attacks?
The Marines can kill 100, 3000, or 3,000,000 "well armed fighters"
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You want personal attacks???? How's this:


GO BACK TO FRANCE......YOU ****ED COMMIE!!!!
 
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Now we are there to be the buffer and of course get a few billion barrels of oil as a bonus.

You are so right.....that's why gas prices keep spiraling down!
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And the UN handled Iraq better than Bush did untill he brushed them aside

Yes, the UN did handle Iraq much better than Bush ever would.....so much better in fact, Saddam rewarded the UN with "money-for-oil-for-food-for-crooks-program"

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Yes, the UN did handle Iraq much better than Bush ever would.....so much better in fact, Saddam rewarded the UN with "money-for-oil-for-food-for-crooks-program"

What's a missing $10B between friends?

No need to get personal guys. If the UN was handling the war on terror so well, why has the world been on the receiving end of increasingly deadly terror attacks for the last 30 years? I would put the start date for the modern problems at September 5th, 1972. They didn't even cancel the Munich Olympics! Shameful.

That was the moment when we should have permanently solved the Palestinian issue, if you know what I mean. 30+ years on, still same old appeasement of billionaire Egyptian Arafat and his 10 year old suicide bombers. This sorry excuse for a human should have been taken out in 1972, and this issue resolved long ago.

Keith.
 
I heard on TV when that cleric in Palestine got wacked the other day, the only thing remaining was the head. I hope the same happens to Arafat.....and soon!

As for the personal attacks......I don't like them and I rather keep it civilized, but some people feel the need to turn a totally unrelated post into a political campaign.....and then they feel the need to call someone who disagrees with their opinion a "drug addict." Whether I'm being fired at or not, I will fire back at these "mature people."
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Be careful Last_Z, we don't want to lose you. These people are trying to bait you.

Take a look at some of their posts. It approaches religious discrimination the way they talk about 'the Jews.'

I still think we were justified in going into Iraq, even if there were no weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein tried to have an American president murdered! That is an act of war! He was paying the families of suicide bombers. And you can bet he would have been willing to supply WMD once the UN was gone. I don't think he was paying off the French, Russians, and Germans and the UN for nothing.

Things could go sour in Iraq. We might as well be honest. But right now this so called 'uprising' does not amount to that much. The Marines already pretty much control that one city where those cowards murdered those Americans and ripped their bodies apart.

If Iraq does become a democracy in the Middle East, that will be big. The real problem in the Middle East are of course the fanatics like Osama bin Laden and the GOVERNMENTS of those countries. There is no excuse in wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia for many Saudis to be relatively poor.
 
"I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."
**** Cheney, March 16, 2003

"There is no question but that they (American forces) would be welcomed."
Don Rumsfeld, February 20, 2003

"I am reasonably certain that they will greet us as liberators."
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Feb. 27, 2003

"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk."
Kenneth Adelman, Pentagon Defense Policy Board, Feb. 2002

American troops entering Baghdad would be "greeted with sweets and flowers."
Kanan Makiya, primary Iraqi consultant to George Bush

Each passing day confirms the gross incompetence of these so-called war "leaders." November cannot come soon enough.
 
GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC...... there have been more than 450 insurgents wacked by the Marines.....just as I predicted. I knew that was a mistake in their part and also heard this morning that the remaining insurgent are trying to flee during this so called "time out." I would like to see them all getting wacked in the most painful way.....especially Al-Sadr!
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Last_Z, those 450 killed are just in Fallujah. That does not even include other areas of the country.

American soldiers have already retaken one of those cities that Al-Sadr and his gang of thugs took over. As soon as American forces approached the big bad terrorists were running. And people in the city greeted the American troops and welcomed them. I predict that within a few weeks the other two cities will also be recaptured.

There is information to the effect that Al-Sadr was in Iran not too long ago, and that the Iranian government has supplied weapons to terrorists in Iraq and supported these terrorists to the tune of some 70 million dollars. There is also information that the Iranians have set up spy cells with charity fronts in Iraq. There is also information that Syrian agents are in Iraq.

Who are the real 'infidels' in the Middle East? The governments of most of those countries and terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda. These are the ones who are opposing the people of the Middle East. The state of Israel is just used as an excuse by the governments of the Middle East and terrorist organizations.
 
.....and the sad thing is that the average joe believes everything they are told.....they just don't know any better.....their goverment don't want them to. Yep, been there, done that!
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Each passing day confirms the gross incompetence of these so-called war "leaders." November cannot come soon enough.


You are denying the facts. Much of the population had a very positive reaction. Taking Baghdad was a cakewalk as far as wars go.

The occupation has been a big problem. Elements of the people in Iraq that know they will be losers in a democracy and every fanatic in the world gathered there are putting up a horrible fight. Losing Iraq would be a great defeat for the fanatics. since they came out and fought and were soundly beaten, maybe now the majority will turn on them.
 
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Originally posted by TC:
American troops entering Baghdad would be "greeted with sweets and flowers."
Kanan Makiya, primary Iraqi consultant to George Bush

Each passing day confirms the gross incompetence of these so-called war "leaders." November cannot come soon enough.


I think that everyone expected the Iraqui People to have a little more backbone and help themselves a little more. And unless I dreamt this..the People seemed to be just a little hapy when Sadam's statue got toppled. I think that most people knew that fighting the bad people would be required.

I know that Kerry is going to create 10 million Jova, Make healthcare affordable to everyone, roll back taxes for the rich (the only people who pay takes), stop jobs from leaving the country, yada, yada, yada
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I wonder what his (Kerry's) plan is for Iraq...Any thoughts??? Oh yea turn it over to the U.N.
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Last time we let a Democrat get involved in war he Johnson) got 58,000 of our finest slaughtered-in the first and only war the U.S. lost. And we gained tooo much in the Viet Nam War.
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"You are denying the facts...Taking Baghdad was a cakewalk as far as wars go...The occupation has been a big problem."

Gee golly, wouldn't it be nice if you could just roll an army into a country yet not have to worry about the bloodbath that might occur six months or a year later? Seems that Team Bush had it all figured it down to a "T." Well, except the part that happens AFTER the invasion. They sorta forgot about that half of the equation. No problem though, it's just one them lil' civil war bloodbath thingies. Those Texas boys will figure it out over a Crawford BBQ...maybe...or not. We've somehow managed to UNITE the rival Sunnis and Shiites against us, but no big deal.

Reelect these bumbling fools? With this record? Why?????? These are the great "foreign policy luminaries" as the GOP would have us believe???

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I'm getting really tired of people putting down Texas!
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What is it with Texas you people (TC) hate so much? What does Texas have to do with Iraq? Maybe you think people down here are stupid or something?!?!?
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Seems that Team Bush had it all figured it down to a "T."

Are you really so naive as to believe that the progress of war is linear and predictable? Did Rumsfeld or Powell or Rice or Bush at any time say the war on terror will be over quickly and easily? Bush has gone out of his way to say that it will take a very long time, with many ups and a few downs, and a lot happening outside of the mainstream news. Earlier this week was a down, now we are heading up again. There are about 450 fewer alive terrorists in Fallujah today than a week ago. Reuters should be writing up a nice eulogy about now.

Should we have given up when 2,500+ US troops died on Omaha Beach in a single day? I am in total awe of stories from my older relatives that participated in WW-II (air force and navy) and knew that tyranny had to be stopped at any personal cost.

I wonder if there is ANYTHING that can again create the same sense of purpose with todays "where's mine" generation of selfish government dependent sheep. Apparently 3000 civilians deaths in a single day is not enough for some. It is way more than enough for me. I can respect someone elses position though, and do not assume they are ignorant buffoons because they disagree with me. Bush bashing for the sake of it doesn't impress me, and I have bashed Bush plenty on aspects of his domestic agenda.

We just have different priorities.

Keith.
 
I am old enough so that I can remember a few old movies where people in New York City acted like the western part of the United States was still experiencing Indian attacks. There are smart and not so smart people in every single state in this country. Texas is a state the same as California. When do people get tired of believing in the same old stereotypes?

My father was there in World War II, and so was my uncle. My father was there in North Africa and on the Normandy beach. My uncle was there on an aircraft carrier in the Coral Sea. If I remember correctly some 400,000 Americans died in that war. Something like 50,000 in Korea. Almost 60,000 in Vietnam. I can't remember the figure for World War I. If you count the Confederate losses, something like 1,000,000 in the Civil War, in a country with something like a 30 million population.

Now, every death of an American soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, is a tragedy. But trying to compare Iraq with Vietnam is just plain silly.

I don't know what is going to happen in Iraq. There are certainly some evil people trying to make sure it does not become a democracy. What is happening right now cannot be called a civil war. At least not yet. We have to try to finish the job in Iraq. If that becomes impossible, then we leave. The plan currently calls for power to go to the new Iraqi government in June.

I do know one thing. Did you see the video of the three Japanese hostages with the disguised terrorists in the background, with their weapons? Did you see one terrorist threaten one of the Japanese with a knife held to the man's throat? I am certain of one thing. We are on the right side.
 
I just heard it on the radio of someone who just got back from Iraq and he says that's all the American public hears the horror of what's happening. You don't hear the other side!!! The mass Iragis want democracy, they want there kids with a school, they need water and electricity, they want jobs, they wanted Saddam out of power from his abuse, they want law and order so they can go on with there lives. They see the Americans soilders who can walk with no fear in the streets and they praise them. They see the Americans trying to store electricity and water. Books for the school system and they are trying to bring something. BUT there is a small regime causing all the blood shed (Saddam's followers) and the Iraqis want them out too. It's what the media protrays what is happening in Iraq. The Iraqis are hard workers and 99% are good people..99% of Americans are good people...
 
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What does Texas have to do with Iraq? Maybe you think people down here are stupid or something?!?!?

No ...you just like to do things in a big way. It comes with the turf.
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Armed robber in MA : Commit a crime with a gun in MA and you will get two weeks ...two weeks ..no ifs ..no ands ...no buts ..two weeks...

J-walking in Texas: Life without parole on the chain gang.
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just kidding
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Dang right.....I love it! We have the highest execution rate in the country and I don't see a problem with that!
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