New Honda HTO-06 Oil Spec
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A thought that occurs to me and has not been mentioned is that Honda has there name brand oils.
I know that my Honda lawn mower has a label stating "Genuine Honda Oil Recomended." They even give you a little bottle when you buy the mower.
They pushed there oil in the motorcycle world a number of years ago when I had a Honda motorcycle as well.
I just checked the 5 qt jug of Mobil 1 5w30 that I bought less than 7 days ago and it does not have the Honda spec on the label either.
I know that my Honda lawn mower has a label stating "Genuine Honda Oil Recomended." They even give you a little bottle when you buy the mower.
They pushed there oil in the motorcycle world a number of years ago when I had a Honda motorcycle as well.
I just checked the 5 qt jug of Mobil 1 5w30 that I bought less than 7 days ago and it does not have the Honda spec on the label either.
It makes perfect sense to me. Exxon Mobil is USA Honda largest oil supplier not only car oil but many of their motorcycle oils.
Not saying that conventional oils can't go hundreds of thousands of miles. I know that they can in reasonable conditions. But in the car and bike motors I've been into over the years Mobil 1 seems to have some kind of natural mild deposit cleaning action from piston ring groves to the oil pump screen if used over a long period of time compared to conventional oils.
Turbo and air cooled motors seem to be more prone to have deposit issues than the average car motor from what I have seen over the years. I can why Honda might want to use Mobil 1 in a turbo motor myself to help combat deposit issues.
Not saying that conventional oils can't go hundreds of thousands of miles. I know that they can in reasonable conditions. But in the car and bike motors I've been into over the years Mobil 1 seems to have some kind of natural mild deposit cleaning action from piston ring groves to the oil pump screen if used over a long period of time compared to conventional oils.
Turbo and air cooled motors seem to be more prone to have deposit issues than the average car motor from what I have seen over the years. I can why Honda might want to use Mobil 1 in a turbo motor myself to help combat deposit issues.
I wonder why the venerable 5w-20 semis could not handle this application?
I was waiting for someone to say something like that. I think it's too early to make that call. You could also point the finger at red line, amsoil, castrol, pennzoil, and say the same thing. That article clearly states that ONLY Mobil 1 met the new standard. Does that make the aforementioned oils inferior, along with 5w-20 weight oils?quote:
Originally posted by Auto-Union:
I woner why the much-touted 5w-20 semis could not handle this application?
They sorta want you to believe that, don't they? So what oils did they actually test? Nose oil? Oil of Newt? If you read carefully the word choice they could use the same words - and only have tested M1.
Uhh...go back and re-read that bulletin I posted:quote:
Originally posted by Bill in Utah:
Just got back from Wal-Mart.. (No, I had to go for other things...) (really!)
The Mobil 1 5w30 bottles (both bottle styles and both normal and EP)had nothing about HTO-06 on it...
Guess its not the right Mobil 1??
240HP from the 2.3L, engine with twin turbos.
Stickers at $37K, fully loaded with 5-spd Auto, Navi, back-up camera, etc.
I think this car is going to be a hit, as its taking the price range of the previous generation MDX. The redesigned MDX will be priced well into the 40s.
Mobil 1 will NOT be the only oil to meet this spec. All the other major synthetics will as well. I'm sure most do already, but probably weren't tested. It just so happens that XOM is a large company that can meet the supply of major OEM's, is good at marketing $$ and makes a very good product.
...or brillant marketing depending on whether you got a MBA or MSME.quote:
Originally posted by TooSlick:
Sounds like EOM advertising drivel to me...
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In due time ..all in due time.
LOL...thanks for the correction. Should've verified before I posted what some donkey told me over AIM.
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, this is the "beta" version of your post.
I see
it's all perfectly clear to me now (sudden spike of one of the statements of Dr. Dave Bowman in 2010
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I suspect by October we'll be seeing other brand synthetics with the HTO-06 designation. Current stock of M1 probably meets it already, but it'll take a little time for the new labels to hit the shelves. This is apparently the first iteration of the "europization" of Japanese automaker specifically defined motor oils which meet specific European automaker requirements. Watch for Toyota and Nissan to follow suit. Like their European counterparts, I believe we're approaching the day in which whatever you drive, you'll be on the hook for automaker spec oil (read $$$) tailored for your ride's engine requirements. What next - proprietary automaker brand motor oils that will only be dealership available as ATF has already gone? (groan...)
I wonder how long it will take before the Mobil 1 web site shows the Honda spec for the 5w30?
Didn't the vis of Mobil 1 5w30 just go up from 10.5 or so to 11.3? Maybe this was to meet the new Honda spec? I thought 5w-20 was the way to go due to CAFE. Anyone seen the EPA ratings for this model yet?
Didn't the vis of Mobil 1 5w30 just go up from 10.5 or so to 11.3? Maybe this was to meet the new Honda spec? I thought 5w-20 was the way to go due to CAFE. Anyone seen the EPA ratings for this model yet?
One word...TURBO. Full synthetic to mitigate degradation due to the temperatures seen in the turbo, and the additional sump temperatures generated will thin it out to a viscosity seen in engines spec'd for Xw20s.quote:
Originally posted by Auto-Union:
I wonder why the venerable 5w-20 semis could not handle this application?
Yes, you DO in a HP Turbo application. Dino kills turbos.
Says you. Dino works fine in turbos provided that the OEM does not require synthetic.
All of the WRXs do not require synthetic oil, and neither do the turbocharged PowerStrokes, Cummins, and Duramaxes.
All of the WRXs do not require synthetic oil, and neither do the turbocharged PowerStrokes, Cummins, and Duramaxes.
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