I've noticed that with the US-made ones. On an Cressida we had ages ago, I've noticed one of the rotors was a Taiwanese-made Midas one. Worked just as well as OEM.
New from Raybestos, Now made in China
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Originally Posted By: nthach
I was at AutoZone yesterday and I've noticed the Duralast Gold friction line is made in India now.
I hadn't noticed that; I just bought a box of Golds and was somewhat surprised to see they were made in USA. Guess the changeover is still in progress.
I was at AutoZone yesterday and I've noticed the Duralast Gold friction line is made in India now.
I hadn't noticed that; I just bought a box of Golds and was somewhat surprised to see they were made in USA. Guess the changeover is still in progress.
The local store had their stock shipment in - and there was 1 cage full of brake parts - the disc/drums were from China, while friction was from India.
Originally Posted By: tonycarguy
You guys are praising "Made in America" as if it necessarily implies superior quality, which it doesn't. There's [censored] stuff made here too.
I would agree Best quality comes first in product selection .I really try to buy U.S.A because I would rather pay a few $$$ extra for a product up front than higher taxes etc for the unemployment / welfare benes.
You guys are praising "Made in America" as if it necessarily implies superior quality, which it doesn't. There's [censored] stuff made here too.
I would agree Best quality comes first in product selection .I really try to buy U.S.A because I would rather pay a few $$$ extra for a product up front than higher taxes etc for the unemployment / welfare benes.
Originally Posted By: nthach
PandaBear - Kragen sells Goodyear belts and hoses, it used to be Dayco. But now they can get Gates since O'Rielly's owns them. The Gates to me feels like a better product than the Goodyear is which is sadly Mexican made. Gates and Stant are both owned by a British company.
Honda's now using Chinese-made wiring harnesses if that makes people feel better.
News flash, Gate is now also made in Mexico, out of the same factory that the Kragen's house brand is made out of. I bought a set after I order a wrong part from Rockauto, and out of curiosity I check for the same wrong parts at Kragen, and they are identical.
I may not trust Chinese food, but wiring harness should be ok since most car manufactures have plants in China making cars for their domestic market. I'd trust a Chinese Honda OEM part over a Mexico/American/Canada/Taiwan/Singapore made generic "sort of fit" any day.
PandaBear - Kragen sells Goodyear belts and hoses, it used to be Dayco. But now they can get Gates since O'Rielly's owns them. The Gates to me feels like a better product than the Goodyear is which is sadly Mexican made. Gates and Stant are both owned by a British company.
Honda's now using Chinese-made wiring harnesses if that makes people feel better.
News flash, Gate is now also made in Mexico, out of the same factory that the Kragen's house brand is made out of. I bought a set after I order a wrong part from Rockauto, and out of curiosity I check for the same wrong parts at Kragen, and they are identical.
I may not trust Chinese food, but wiring harness should be ok since most car manufactures have plants in China making cars for their domestic market. I'd trust a Chinese Honda OEM part over a Mexico/American/Canada/Taiwan/Singapore made generic "sort of fit" any day.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
Good point. However, companies that move mfg to China are typically looking for shortcuts that will rear its ugly head somewhere.
IMO it is the opposite. An efficient business decided to find low cost solution when building new plants or upgrade production equipment, and they decided to put them in lower cost area like China/Taiwan for mass production. Those who stay in America usually are the ones who couldn't afford to outsource (it cost a lot of money to outsource, and for small production it is not worth the expense and risk of dropped quality) stay in the US using the same technologies from 30 years ago, until the market completely dies out.
Of course, in the end it boils down to how the business and production is run, and there are great products and junks that came out of both sides. I will keep buying whatever the best price for the good quality products, not the outrageous price for the best with marginal difference, nor the slightly cheaper but "fall apart in 2 weeks" junks, but the best price for reasonably good quality, preferably locally made. But if it is not possible to buy local made products, then I wouldn't buy local junk over a quality outsource.
Good point. However, companies that move mfg to China are typically looking for shortcuts that will rear its ugly head somewhere.
IMO it is the opposite. An efficient business decided to find low cost solution when building new plants or upgrade production equipment, and they decided to put them in lower cost area like China/Taiwan for mass production. Those who stay in America usually are the ones who couldn't afford to outsource (it cost a lot of money to outsource, and for small production it is not worth the expense and risk of dropped quality) stay in the US using the same technologies from 30 years ago, until the market completely dies out.
Of course, in the end it boils down to how the business and production is run, and there are great products and junks that came out of both sides. I will keep buying whatever the best price for the good quality products, not the outrageous price for the best with marginal difference, nor the slightly cheaper but "fall apart in 2 weeks" junks, but the best price for reasonably good quality, preferably locally made. But if it is not possible to buy local made products, then I wouldn't buy local junk over a quality outsource.
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PandaBear,
I have yet to run into an instance where there was only local junk vs. quality outsource.
I have yet to run into an instance where there was only local junk vs. quality outsource.
Last week I bought a pair of Raybestos "Advanced Technology" rotors and semi-metallic pads for my '99 Cherokee. I paid more for the Raybestos rotors because I wanted a made in USA part, but when they came in I was disappointed to see they came form China. The pads were made in Canada. Paid $50 and change for each rotors, the pads were $74 for the front axle.
They've been on for a week and I've put just under 2,000 miles on the car (don't ask) and so far they've been OK. Stopping performance is MUCH better than before, took the original rotors off the car with 172K miles and from the looks of it, probably the 1st or 2nd set of pads. It was hard to judge the quality of the new rotors vs. the originals, since the originals were so worn and corroded.
If there was anything I wasn't impressed with, it was the quality of the pads. The backing plate on all 4 pads was cheaply cast, and I had to file each of them down quite a bit to get them to slide freely and not bind against the caliper rails. Which was ironic, considering the ridiculous number of spacer clips that came with the set.
Bought the parts from Federated, which is pretty fairly priced and usually has decent quality items. Only other option around here is Advanced Auto Parts and they basically sell only Chinese [censored].
They've been on for a week and I've put just under 2,000 miles on the car (don't ask) and so far they've been OK. Stopping performance is MUCH better than before, took the original rotors off the car with 172K miles and from the looks of it, probably the 1st or 2nd set of pads. It was hard to judge the quality of the new rotors vs. the originals, since the originals were so worn and corroded.
If there was anything I wasn't impressed with, it was the quality of the pads. The backing plate on all 4 pads was cheaply cast, and I had to file each of them down quite a bit to get them to slide freely and not bind against the caliper rails. Which was ironic, considering the ridiculous number of spacer clips that came with the set.
Bought the parts from Federated, which is pretty fairly priced and usually has decent quality items. Only other option around here is Advanced Auto Parts and they basically sell only Chinese [censored].
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: nthach
PandaBear - Kragen sells Goodyear belts and hoses, it used to be Dayco. But now they can get Gates since O'Rielly's owns them. The Gates to me feels like a better product than the Goodyear is which is sadly Mexican made. Gates and Stant are both owned by a British company.
Honda's now using Chinese-made wiring harnesses if that makes people feel better.
News flash, Gate is now also made in Mexico, out of the same factory that the Kragen's house brand is made out of. I bought a set after I order a wrong part from Rockauto, and out of curiosity I check for the same wrong parts at Kragen, and they are identical.
I may not trust Chinese food, but wiring harness should be ok since most car manufactures have plants in China making cars for their domestic market. I'd trust a Chinese Honda OEM part over a Mexico/American/Canada/Taiwan/Singapore made generic "sort of fit" any day.
Funny, I bought a upper radiator hose for a Nissan Quest from the local parts house - Monument Car Parts in Concord and the Gates hose said MADE IN USA on it. Kragen only stocks Goodyear now - Gates is special order.
Originally Posted By: nthach
PandaBear - Kragen sells Goodyear belts and hoses, it used to be Dayco. But now they can get Gates since O'Rielly's owns them. The Gates to me feels like a better product than the Goodyear is which is sadly Mexican made. Gates and Stant are both owned by a British company.
Honda's now using Chinese-made wiring harnesses if that makes people feel better.
News flash, Gate is now also made in Mexico, out of the same factory that the Kragen's house brand is made out of. I bought a set after I order a wrong part from Rockauto, and out of curiosity I check for the same wrong parts at Kragen, and they are identical.
I may not trust Chinese food, but wiring harness should be ok since most car manufactures have plants in China making cars for their domestic market. I'd trust a Chinese Honda OEM part over a Mexico/American/Canada/Taiwan/Singapore made generic "sort of fit" any day.
Funny, I bought a upper radiator hose for a Nissan Quest from the local parts house - Monument Car Parts in Concord and the Gates hose said MADE IN USA on it. Kragen only stocks Goodyear now - Gates is special order.
Originally Posted By: nthach
Funny, I bought a upper radiator hose for a Nissan Quest from the local parts house - Monument Car Parts in Concord and the Gates hose said MADE IN USA on it. Kragen only stocks Goodyear now - Gates is special order.
I probably should be more specific. I was ordering a power steering hose, maybe Gate outsource it to a Mexican factory.
Funny, I bought a upper radiator hose for a Nissan Quest from the local parts house - Monument Car Parts in Concord and the Gates hose said MADE IN USA on it. Kragen only stocks Goodyear now - Gates is special order.
I probably should be more specific. I was ordering a power steering hose, maybe Gate outsource it to a Mexican factory.
I don't think a lot of them actulaly move production to China. I think they sub out the work to a company in China and just have them put their name on the box. Not that it really matters one way or another...
What gets me is now we are buying food from China. Have you looked at the frozen seafood in stores? Mostly from China. Even fresh produce is coming from China. Hummm....looks like they are getting into the food supply chain. Former enemy now supplying our food; very disturbing...
What gets me is now we are buying food from China. Have you looked at the frozen seafood in stores? Mostly from China. Even fresh produce is coming from China. Hummm....looks like they are getting into the food supply chain. Former enemy now supplying our food; very disturbing...
That's why I avoid cat food made in China or with Chinese-sourced protein/gluten - all the major pet food makers that supply supermarkets/Wal-Mart/pet chains such as Mars Petcare/Nestle Purina/Del Monte/Menu source their wheat gluten/corn gluten and soy components as well as their meat and bone meals from China.
The dollar store gets most of their produce/frozen veggies and meat from China.
The dollar store gets most of their produce/frozen veggies and meat from China.
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For frozen seafood I found about 1/3 of them from China, 1/3 from Thailand and India, and the remaining 1/3 from US/Canada. Typically I stay away from Chinese seafood for the fear of carcinogen additives they add to the water. I don't think I've ever seen fresh vegetable from China, because it takes 13 or so days for a ship to move here and by the time it gets here it won't be that fresh. Fresh fruit, well, there are some fruit that just won't grow in this climate and has to be imported (Kiwi, banana, for example).
Originally Posted By: My442
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
I don't dissagree with you, but American business is not exactly the model of ethics (peanuts). I wander what they think of our banking industry after buying up many bad loans? I do like how they handle business coruption over there, they get shot.
I won't knowingly eat food products from China. However when the last tainted food deal was going around, there was talk about forcing American food producers to identify the origin of ingredients on the label. The food producers were all up in arms, have not heard anything lately, the lobyists must have kicked in.
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
I don't dissagree with you, but American business is not exactly the model of ethics (peanuts). I wander what they think of our banking industry after buying up many bad loans? I do like how they handle business coruption over there, they get shot.
I won't knowingly eat food products from China. However when the last tainted food deal was going around, there was talk about forcing American food producers to identify the origin of ingredients on the label. The food producers were all up in arms, have not heard anything lately, the lobyists must have kicked in.
the canadian tire sale flyer has raybestos "nascar advantage" pads advertised. it states that "raybestos is the official brake of nascar". i guess that you learn something new every day.
Originally Posted By: My442
They are the most unethical people in the world.
You just have to re-post this deleted/blocked/banned sentence again, don't you?
They are the most unethical people in the world.
You just have to re-post this deleted/blocked/banned sentence again, don't you?
Originally Posted By: My442
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
HMMMMMM.....I will have to pay more attention to the pictures in my newspaper. Using 442's logic, that means that the bankers, lawyers,politicians, CEO's, PA judges, and peanut company owners in the US must all be Chinese!
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
HMMMMMM.....I will have to pay more attention to the pictures in my newspaper. Using 442's logic, that means that the bankers, lawyers,politicians, CEO's, PA judges, and peanut company owners in the US must all be Chinese!
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: My442
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
HMMMMMM.....I will have to pay more attention to the pictures in my newspaper. Using 442's logic, that means that the bankers, lawyers,politicians, CEO's, PA judges, and peanut company owners in the US must all be Chinese!
You forgot Bernie Madoff...hehehe
Originally Posted By: My442
As a matter of principal, I avoid all chineseum products if possible.
They are the most unethical people in the world.
HMMMMMM.....I will have to pay more attention to the pictures in my newspaper. Using 442's logic, that means that the bankers, lawyers,politicians, CEO's, PA judges, and peanut company owners in the US must all be Chinese!
You forgot Bernie Madoff...hehehe
Lychees and other exotic fruits I've seen at 99 Ranch/other Asian grocery stores come from China/Taiwan/Vietnam. I know most of the shrimp and prawns I'm seeing come from China, Vietnam, Mexico, Ecuador, Thailand and the Philippines.
As for the cat - his food is made in Lathrop, CA by Diamond Foods with mostly North American sourced ingredients.
As for the cat - his food is made in Lathrop, CA by Diamond Foods with mostly North American sourced ingredients.
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