New Formula - Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF

[sunfire]

Just noticed this today...

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_1_Synthetic_ATF.aspx

The synthetic base oil enables excellent performance even in the severest of operating conditions. It offers outstanding gear shifting and power transfer performance versus conventional ATF fluids. The inherently high viscosity index and stability of Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF help protect against thermal breakdown at high operating temperatures, while still providing outstanding performance at very low ambient temperatures.

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF combines high-performance synthetic hydrocarbon base oils and a superior balanced additive system to provide significantly higher levels of performance above conventional fluids. This unique, advanced technology provides long drain capability, excellent friction retention, and low-temperature fluidity. Further, it helps to improve overall transmission durability and cleanliness. Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is also compatible with conventional ATFs.

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is formulated for use in most North American, European and Asian vehicles.

* Approved for Allison C-4 applications

* Exceeds JASO 1-A performance standard

* Also suitable for use in vehicles that specify the following fluid requirements:
o Audi G 052 025-A2, G 052 162-A1
o BMW LA2634
o Esso LT 71141
o ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402
o Ford* MERCON*, MERCON V, MERCON LV
o All 2005 and earlier GM vehicles**
o Honda ATF-Z1*
o Hyundai SP-II, SP-III
o Idemitsu K17
o JWS 3309
o Kia SP-II, SP-III
o MAN 339F, V1, V2, Z1, Z2, Z3
o Mazda ATF-III, ATF-MV
o Mercedes-Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9
o Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II, SP-III
o Nissan Matic-D, Matic-J, Matic-K
o Subaru ATF
o Toyota T-III, T-IV
o Voith 55.6335.XX (G607, G1363)
o Volvo 97340
o ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 09, 14A, 14B, 16L, 17C

 

[Eddie]

Suitable? Maybe that means it will work but, maybe not the best or ideal fluid. Ed

 

[Steelhead]

it means Exxon/Mobil accounting dept. doesn't want to pay for independent or veh. manuf. lab certification testing of each product to get their fancy cert. letter

instead E/M's lab compares it inhouse to the supplied manuf. specs for each app.

 

[parimento1]

Exxon/Mobil is a very well respected company and I doubt they would risk a lawsuit/their reputation by recommending an incompatible fluid.

 

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted By: sunfire
...
* Also suitable for use in vehicles that specify the following fluid requirements:
...
o BMW LA2634
o Esso LT 71141
o ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402
...


This is new. This wasn't in their product sheets last year when I was researching on ATF alternatives for my BMW's 'required' LT 71141. I checked the specs and the viscosity ratings are just a tad off from the old one.

 

[2002 Maxima SE]

Hmmmm...no mention of Dexron III compatibility. The former formulation specified it was for MerconV or Dexron III (though the Dexron III was on the back of the bottle).

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: 2002 Maxima SE
Hmmmm...no mention of Dexron III compatibility. The former formulation specified it was for MerconV or Dexron III (though the Dexron III was on the back of the bottle).


Interesting that they say this: "All 2005 and earlier GM vehicles**"

**=????

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: 2002 Maxima SE
Hmmmm...no mention of Dexron III compatibility. The former formulation specified it was for MerconV or Dexron III (though the Dexron III was on the back of the bottle).


Interesting that they say this: "All 2005 and earlier GM vehicles**"

**=????

They want you to buy their DexVI. Maybe part of the licensing agreement?

 

[sunfire]

* Not recommend for CVT applications, Mercon® SP, Ford Type F
** Mobil DEXRON-VI ATF is recommended for 2006 and newer GM vehicles and improved performance in 2005 and earlier vehicles, wherever DEXRON is specified.

 

[The Critic]

I think ExxonMobil realized that they have been missing out on the profits from the multi-vehicle ATF business. They have refrained from joining the bandwagon for quite a while, but I guess they finally gave in. Chances are, the fluid is unlikely to cause any transmission problems, but at the same time, I'm not in agreement with the others that a multi-vehicle product is the way to go. And it's unlikely that this product will ever come back to bite ExxonMobil, which is probably why they are offering it.

 

[sunfire]

This is what they had on the site with the old formula. Looks like an old out dated DexronIII/MerconV only ATF. With low levels of DIII and MV friction modifiers that will cause shudder and hard shifting in newer transmissions.


Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

• Outperforms conventional ATF and meets General Motors' Dexron® III and Ford's Mercon® and Mercon® V requirements. Also recommended for Chrysler automatic transmissions.
• Fully synthetic formula provides outstanding resistance to oil breakdown and deposits under severe duty and high temperatures.
• Helps extend transmission life through excellent durability and protection.

For many GM, Ford and import vehicles. Recommended for use in vehicles specifying:

• Dexron III, Dexron IIIE, Dexron III-H
• Mercon, Mercon V
• Recommended for Allison C-4 and Caterpillar TO-2 applications
• Recommended for Chrysler automatic transmissions

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF is designed to meet the demanding requirements of modern passenger vehicles. The synthetic base oil composition enables excellent performance even in the severest of operating conditions. It offers outstanding gear shifting and power transfer performance. Versus conventional ATF fluids, the inherently high viscosity index and stability of Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF protect against thermal breakdown at high operating temperatures, while still providing outstanding performance at very low ambient temperatures.

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF combines high-performance synthetic hydrocarbon base oils and a superior balanced additive system to provide significantly higher levels of performance above conventional fluids. This unique, advanced technology has demonstrated long drain capability, excellent friction retention, and low-temperature capability. Further, it helps to improve overall transmission durability and cleanliness.

Automatic transmissions should be checked for proper fluid levels at regular intervals, and the fluid should be changed at manufacturer-recommended intervals. However, this may vary due to your vehicle's operating conditions. Some manufacturers recommend more frequent changes of transmission fluid under severe driving conditions, such as heavy traffic, hot weather and trailer pulling.

 

[Billy_D]

Old formula
Pour Point: -54°C (-65°F)
Relative Density (at 15 °C ): 0.86
Flash Point [Method]: 216°C [ ASTM D-92]

New formula
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -41C
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 200
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.846

I am no expert, but I prefer the older one.

 

[2002 Maxima SE]

Originally Posted By: sunfire

Not recommend for CVT applications, Mercon® SP, Ford Type F
Mobil DEXRON-VI ATF is recommended for 2006 and newer GM vehicles and improved performance in 2005 and earlier vehicles, wherever DEXRON is specified.


Exactly, the old one specified Dexron III, the new one does not.

Dexron and Dexron III were two different formulations.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Anyone have the AMSoil ATF specs handy?

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Anyone have the AMSoil ATF specs handy?

Their website?

 

[oilyriser]

Is dexron VI a 6 cSt fluid, for better fuel economy?

 

[Audi Junkie]

Surfing is much less fun w/dial-up, trust me. Thanks anyway.

 

[sunfire]

Saw it today $5.84 at Walmart. The back of the bottle basically had everything in the new PDS.

 

[lewdwig]

No Chrysler (Mopar) spec? Now, I always use ATF+3 spec'd fluid in my rebuilt Dodge transmission.

 

[sunfire]

Mobil doesn't make any ATF+3, ATF+4, Chrysler spec ATF. Perhaps because of the different levels of friction modifiers.