Its HPL supercar in driven bottles from what i can tell and im okay with that honestly. Im excited to see what comes next
New Driven HP-X Euro Supercar
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If you’re actually in the market for needing oils of this caliber, the $3-5/qt price premium “problem” you pulled out of thin air is laughable, and the HPL is $14.33/qt with the BITOG discount. Probably the biggest difference between HPL and ESP you haven’t touched on is that HPL has oils in numerous product lines that have gone over 20k, and several that have gone over 30k.
The longest UOA anybody on here has run ESP 0w30 and posted on here that I can find is like 5,100 miles. By the time you’ve gone even just 20k on ESP at that rate, not only have you generated at least 4x the waste (if your vehicle takes <5 qts, that is) and you’re out more money than the HPL would have run you for that distance.
Nobody’s ever said this caliber of oils is for everybody. There’s plenty of decent-to-good oils on WM shelves for $6/qt including the ESP that will do just fine staying within OEM OCI recommendations that should tickle your fancy.
Idk, I’m not going 20k mile OCI on unicorn tears. The additive package and base oil can be the best, but there is no dispute that the level of suspended contaminants will be high and that alone likely leads to increased abrasive wear.
I don’t pick my oil based on OCI, maybe that low detergent Mobil 1 Supercar 5W-50 I’d be careful going 5k on without a used oil analysis.
I don’t pick my oil based on OCI, maybe that low detergent Mobil 1 Supercar 5W-50 I’d be careful going 5k on without a used oil analysis.
The High Performance Lubricants (HPL) Euro 5W-40 is fantastic and has held up better to track use than anything else I've tried. Not everyone is only concerned with basic daily driving where I agree this type of oil isn't necessary; only if you want long OCIs where it has been shown here to work well. With the discount I buy 4 gal delivered and it's $14.83/qt. I also use HPL in my Passat W8 wagon and do 2 year changes for ~10k miles so still a value and I'm sure the Rube-Goldberg timing chain setup on that monstrosity enjoy that product. I have data posted here that's easy to find. The concerns with lack of approvals are not founded with HPL.
There is dispute for that. It's rare for solid particle contamination to be the first condemnation point. If you have decent air and oil filters and the engine is in good health, you'll hit the limit on oxidation / oxidative thickening, TBN, or fuel dilution long before the contaminant load becomes significant enough to contribute to wear. If solid particle limit is reached first, you need to investigate why.
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The actual price to HPL is a bit higher once you include shipping. Closer to $16/qt even buying gallons at a time with the BITOG discount. The upside to driven is it's available at several retailers that offer free shipping by the time you get to 6+ qts.If you’re actually in the market for needing oils of this caliber, the $3-5/qt price premium “problem” you pulled out of thin air is laughable, and the HPL is $14.33/qt with the BITOG discount. Probably the biggest difference between HPL and ESP you haven’t touched on is that HPL has oils in numerous product lines that have gone over 20k, and several that have gone over 30k.
The longest UOA anybody on here has run ESP 0w30 and posted on here that I can find is like 5,100 miles. By the time you’ve gone even just 20k on ESP at that rate, not only have you generated at least 4x the waste (if your vehicle takes <5 qts, that is) and you’re out more money than the HPL would have run you for that distance.
Nobody’s ever said this caliber of oils is for everybody. There’s plenty of decent-to-good oils on WM shelves for $6/qt including the ESP that will do just fine staying within OEM OCI recommendations that should tickle your fancy.
$14.83/qt Euro 5W‐40 delivered for the 4 gal box with the 15% and shipped IL to VA ($25 FedEx). Agree Driven option may allow some economy..FCP?
Yeah, almost $15/qt if you're buying in bulk. $17.50/qt shipped if you order 6qts where I am. And when people compare the cost to something like ESP, there's no shipping OR spending $200+ to get the best deal.
Just reiterating my original point, if all you get is HPL with Driven's existing distribution network, it's beneficial in terms of bringing down cost to the consumers, which is a good thing if you like HPL.
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It really doesn’t. R&D is expensive and in house testing. I posted here long time ago price of VW approval I worked on. It was 3,200 euros for VW 504.00/507.00. But getting there is expensive.
The problem is that it limits what you want to do if you are aiming at higher performance.
Fair enough.If you’re actually in the market for needing oils of this caliber, the $3-5/qt price premium “problem” you pulled out of thin air is laughable, and the HPL is $14.33/qt with the BITOG discount. Probably the biggest difference between HPL and ESP you haven’t touched on is that HPL has oils in numerous product lines that have gone over 20k, and several that have gone over 30k.
The longest UOA anybody on here has run ESP 0w30 and posted on here that I can find is like 5,100 miles. By the time you’ve gone even just 20k on ESP at that rate, not only have you generated at least 4x the waste (if your vehicle takes <5 qts, that is) and you’re out more money than the HPL would have run you for that distance.
Nobody’s ever said this caliber of oils is for everybody. There’s plenty of decent-to-good oils on WM shelves for $6/qt including the ESP that will do just fine staying within OEM OCI recommendations that should tickle your fancy.
Fair enough
Surely there is a contribution though or else we would have not seen timing chain issues with SN oils and GDI engines? I suppose it also highly depends on size of particulate and what gets through the filter.
That last part is correct. The best oil filter is a good air filter.
Up to ~150 ppm wear metals, there's no discernible wear contribution outside of margin of error. Timing chain issues are largely a design flaw, not an oil problem. If contamination causes a timing chain to fail, it was going to fail anyway. If you have enough contamination to have any sort of impact at all, you either need better filters or start hunting down the intake leak.
Are you trying to run a 20k OCI on a 1960s Beetle? Otherwise, almost everything else has an oil filter to trap suspended contaminants (soot is the only really abrasive contaminant, and if the engine is not DI-only, soot is generally very low concern). Change your filter at 10k and top up if you’d like; several folks do that style of OCI, especially when first running HPL or HPL Engine Cleaner, or Valvoline Valvoline Restore and Protect if they’ve picked up a neglected vehicle.
Practically anything better than a Wix XP/Napa Platinum or Purolator Boss is at least 99%@30u, and since Toyota OEM filters will go 200k+ on the non-oil burners, I’d say your fear of suspended abrasive wear is likely a bit overblown.
But again, nobody’s trying to force you to enjoy HPL. Runaway sales would likely lead Dave to increase his prices, and none of us that know the value of his oils want that to happen
If you’ve paid attention to the news recently, you’ll notice that no matter what smoke they blow up your rear, nothing is ever really free.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, or even if you're disagreeing. Bulk purchases subsidize the cost with the overall margin. Whether that's lower price per fluid oz or subsidized shipping. Doesn't matter to me, the consumer. I'm buying from whomever sells the quantity I need at the lowest overall price.
you ask FCP to stock this yet?
I have not.
