New Driven HP-X Euro Supercar

[buster]

High quality PAO base oils delivering superb pour points as well as an advanced VI Improver that has superior shear stability index.

Formulated for European Direct Injected High-Performance Engines.

Full Synthetic base oil provides high heat and oxidation protection for turbocharged engines.

https://www.drivenracingoil.com/collections/hp-x-euro-supercar-synthetic-motor-oil

 

[scrllock]

Interesting. Additives look a bit different than DI40 as you'd expect (less zddp, more Ca) but still within API SN limits, not SP/SQ.

 

[altaylar]

sharing all these information, I respect them more

 

[scrllock]

Ah, so this is identical to HPL Euro.

Upside is you'll be able to buy from Summit or maybe even FCP and get an overall price (with shipping) lower than direct from HPL with BITOG code.

 

[edyvw]

Ah, so this is identical to HPL Euro.

Upside is you'll be able to buy from Summit or maybe even FCP and get an overall price (with shipping) lower than direct from HPL with BITOG code.

Yeah, looks similar.

 

[TiGeo]

HPL Euro has HTHS of 4.0.

 

[Kennedy01]

What does it do that something like ESP doesn't? $16/qt but no actual approvals, just suitable for use.

 

[altaylar]

What does it do that something like ESP doesn't? $16/qt but no actual approvals, just suitable for use.

the best version of esp (0w30) doesnot even have API, which is pretty much the lowest approval/certification there is. should not we use ESP then?

No, you do not need or want approvals from a boutique. redline also has a product Line with actual approvals, and they are lower performing than the one without approvalz

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Ah, so this is identical to HPL Euro.

Upside is you'll be able to buy from Summit or maybe even FCP and get an overall price (with shipping) lower than direct from HPL with BITOG code.

It’s not even close to being HPL Euro, certainly not SuperCar. That HT/HS is already lower than No VII Euro, which is already using fairly low viscosity base oils, since it doesn’t have the benefit of any VIIs to hit the winter ratings. it will be interesting to see if this Driven oil exhibits the same slowly-rising viscosity curve that HPL oils do, or if its VIIs & add packs allow it to fall out of grade in non-Euro fuel diluters.

It’s probably a decent oil, but if you think you’re going to be able to get it bought and shipped for less than HPL direct with no middle man, and with a 15% discount, I guarantee it was blended to meet a price point.

Are you going to volunteer the first UOA on this so we can see TBN retention? That would be cool.

 

[altaylar]

Yeah, looks similar.

I really highly regard HPL. I would expect it to have a better ad pack, but would love to be proven wrong

 

[scrllock]

It’s not even close to being HPL Euro, certainly not SuperCar. That HT/HS is already lower than No VII Euro, which is already using fairly low viscosity base oils, since it doesn’t have the benefit of any VIIs to hit the winter ratings. it will be interesting to see if this Driven oil exhibits the same slowly-rising viscosity curve that HPL oils do, or if its VIIs & add packs allow it to fall out of grade in non-Euro fuel diluters.

It’s probably a decent oil, but if you think you’re going to be able to get it bought and shipped for less than HPL direct with no middle man, and with a 15% discount, I guarantee it was blended to meet a price point.

Are you going to volunteer the first UOA on this so we can see TBN retention? That would be cool.

He posted the 0w30.

5w-40 HP-X:

HPL 5w40 Euro:

Exact same numbers...

 

[Kennedy01]

the best version of esp (0w30) doesnot even have API, which is pretty much the lowest approval/certification there is. should not we use ESP then?

No, you do not need or want approvals from a boutique. redline also has a product Line with actual approvals, and they are lower performing than the one without approvalz

ESP 0w30 has acea certifications and European builders approvals, and it claims it passes the engine testing requirements for API SQ. I agree with you in regards to API standards, but the euro standards are far more stringent than API. So yes, for a euro oil that cost $16/qt id like for them to have submitted the product for the approvals it claims to be suitable for.

 

[altaylar]

ESP 0w30 has acea certifications and European builders approvals, and it claims it passes the engine testing requirements for API SQ. I agree with you in regards to API standards, but the euro standards are far more stringent than API. So yes, for a euro oil that cost $16/qt id like for them to have submitted the product for the approvals it claims to be suitable for.

Exactly. It does not have API, it just says it is suitable to be used for API specced. Yet it has certifications far beyond API SQ.

One would expect the same from boutique oils, that they perform better than any of those euro approvals you are seeking.

The point is though, getting those approvals is not about sending a few bottles to the manufacturers to be tested. It costs astonishing amount of money to get those approvals, and no high performance boutique oil will bother to do that. And many times, the design problems of those certifications will cause an upper limit of performance too, for example, BMW limits ester content of the oil, even though we could argue esters are one of the best base oils there is, if not the best.

Long story short, no, you don`t want any euro approval if you are paying 16 bucks per quart.

 

[Kennedy01]

Exactly. It does not have API, it jsut says it is suitable to be used for API specced. Yet it has certifications far beyond API SQ.

One would expect the same from boutique oils, that they perform better than any of those euro approvals you are seeking.

The point is though, getting those approvals is not about sending a few bottles to the manufacturers to be tested. It costs asotnishing amount of money to get those approvals, and no high performance boutique oil will bother to do that. And many times, the design problems of those certifications will cause an upper limit of performance too, for example, BMW limits ester content of the oil, even though we could argue esters are one of the best base oils there is, if not the best.

Long stroy short, no, you don`t want any euro approval if you are paying 16 bucks per quart.

Exactly. It does not have API, it jsut says it is suitable to be used for API specced. Yet it has certifications far beyond API SQ.

One would expect the same from boutique oils, that they perform better than any of those euro approvals you are seeking.

The point is though, getting those approvals is not about sending a few bottles to the manufacturers to be tested. It costs asotnishing amount of money to get those approvals, and no high performance boutique oil will bother to do that. And many times, the design problems of those certifications will cause an upper limit of performance too, for example, BMW limits ester content of the oil, even though we could argue esters are one of the best base oils there is, if not the best.

Long stroy short, no, you don`t want any euro approval if you are paying 16 bucks per quart.

I'll stick with ESP. My days of buying boutique are behind me.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

He posted the 0w30.

5w-40 HP-X:
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HPL 5w40 Euro:


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Exact same numbers...

So it’s not really a “Driven” oil at all, they’re buying HPL and putting it in their bottles.

 

[scrllock]

So it’s not really a “Driven” oil at all, they’re buying HPL and putting it in their bottles.

Correct, that's certainly what it looks like. Seems strange to undercut their own product (DI40 was already sold as a streetable track oil, not a race oil), but as a customer I see it as a good thing.

 

[JavierH19]

Hilarious. So they're buying hpl euro pcmo in bulk and putting their label on it? they can't make good oils on their own it seems.

 

[RDY4WAR]

ESP 0w30 has acea certifications and European builders approvals, and it claims it passes the engine testing requirements for API SQ. I agree with you in regards to API standards, but the euro standards are far more stringent than API. So yes, for a euro oil that cost $16/qt id like for them to have submitted the product for the approvals it claims to be suitable for.

As @altaylar said, the cost to test for those approvals is well into the 6 figures. The ROI isn't there, especially considering their customer base couldn't care less, but even if it was, the testing standard is weaker than the boutique blenders own standards much of the time. The HP-X oil in question is formulated to a far higher standard than those approvals. It's pointless to test someone like HPL in D892, with limits of 20 ml or 50 ml of foam, when HPL's standard for anything they produce is 0 ml. If it foams any at all, even just 1-2 ml, it doesn't ship out. (Compare that to the oil in my avatar (Rotella T6 5W-40) that busted D892 by 2.5x the CK-4 limit despite having that starburst on the bottle.) That's just one example. If you think ACEA is stringent, I welcome you to tour HPL's lab and see their procedure. They make ACEA look elementary.

HPL will not sacrifice integrity. If HPL's name is anywhere near it, it will be to their standard.

 

[Kennedy01]

As @altaylar said, the cost to test for those approvals is well into the 6 figures. The ROI isn't there, especially considering their customer base couldn't care less, but even if it was, the testing standard is weaker than the boutique blenders own standards much of the time. The HP-X oil in question is formulated to a far higher standard than those approvals. It's pointless to test someone like HPL in D892, with limits of 20 ml or 50 ml of foam, when HPL's standard for anything they produce is 0 ml. If it foams any at all, even just 1-2 ml, it doesn't ship out. (Compare that to the oil in my avatar (Rotella T6 5W-40) that busted D892 by 2.5x the CK-4 limit despite having that starburst on the bottle.) That's just one example. If you think ACEA is stringent, I welcome you to tour HPL's lab and see their procedure. They make ACEA look elementary.

HPL will not sacrifice integrity. If HPL's name is anywhere near it, it will be to their standard.

Fair enough but $16/QT is ridiculous. Especially since we have no valuable data that shows this oil is quantifiably better than it's much cheaper priced competition. If it was closer to $11-13 a quart perhaps I'd be more likely to try some. I'm sure high performance lubricants oil is top notch, but so are the other euro oils. Right now it's hard to beat ESP 0w30 for price and performance.

 

[altaylar]

Fair enough but $16/QT is ridiculous. Especially since we have no valuable data that shows this oil is quantifiably better than it's much cheaper priced competition. If it was closer to $11-13 a quart perhaps I'd be more likely to try some. I'm sure high performance lubricants oil is top notch, but so are the other euro oils. Right now it's hard to beat ESP 0w30 for price and performance.

that is the same price point as many other boutique options.

Does boutiques worth the price difference? I think for most of us, not really. Even the cheapest decent oils (such as Kirkland) is perfectly okay for most, and if youpay 1-2 coffee worth of money more, now you have really good ones such as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Valvoline Restore and Protect, Mobil 1 ESP.