New Diesel Passat
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Originally Posted By: Mykl
I think with this car I wouldn't necessarily buy the diesel option only for the fuel economy advantage, although that's certainly a bonus. I think having a super torquey engine would be the main reason I'd want one.
Exactly right - the diesel option is probably more for low-speed performance (torque off the line) than for saving money. Although certainly some that put on tons of highway miles each year might be able to show a foreseeable payback period (i.e. less than 5 years).
I think with this car I wouldn't necessarily buy the diesel option only for the fuel economy advantage, although that's certainly a bonus. I think having a super torquey engine would be the main reason I'd want one.
Exactly right - the diesel option is probably more for low-speed performance (torque off the line) than for saving money. Although certainly some that put on tons of highway miles each year might be able to show a foreseeable payback period (i.e. less than 5 years).
'Low speed performance'? these are not fast cars. In fact they're slower than their competitors. 0-60 over 9 seconds.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
Are you referring to my daily driver? You'll find that it is faster around the Nurburgring Ring than the two you mentioned.In anything but a straight line those two are pigs.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
Are you referring to my daily driver? You'll find that it is faster around the Nurburgring Ring than the two you mentioned.In anything but a straight line those two are pigs.
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
Are you referring to my daily driver? You'll find that it is faster around the Nurburgring Ring than the two you mentioned.In anything but a straight line those two are pigs.
So you are saying that theres more to your purchase decision than some numbers in a test?
(Which is precisely my point by the way)
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
LOL says the guy with the $95,000.00 car that is no faster than a GT500 or ZL1 that cost 60%...
Are you referring to my daily driver? You'll find that it is faster around the Nurburgring Ring than the two you mentioned.In anything but a straight line those two are pigs.
So you are saying that theres more to your purchase decision than some numbers in a test?
(Which is precisely my point by the way)
Point taken.
Purchase decision? Well the car found me. A guy in my office building was expecting divorce papers any day. He owned the car and had title in hand. He needed a cash sale then and there. We went to the bank he got his cash and I got the car and the notarized title. I had never even driven a Porsche before. The main thing I like about it, besides the deeply discounted purchase price.... it's a performance car that can be comfortably driven daily. And I do.
Purchase decision? Well the car found me. A guy in my office building was expecting divorce papers any day. He owned the car and had title in hand. He needed a cash sale then and there. We went to the bank he got his cash and I got the car and the notarized title. I had never even driven a Porsche before. The main thing I like about it, besides the deeply discounted purchase price.... it's a performance car that can be comfortably driven daily. And I do.
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
'Low speed performance'? these are not fast cars. In fact they're slower than their competitors. 0-60 over 9 seconds.
As far as getting off the line quicker around town due to the torque being avialable at much lower RPMs.
And the Jetta TDI was the quickest compact car (even quicker than the relatively quick Focus) in the July 2011 Motor Trend comparo.
'Low speed performance'? these are not fast cars. In fact they're slower than their competitors. 0-60 over 9 seconds.
As far as getting off the line quicker around town due to the torque being avialable at much lower RPMs.
And the Jetta TDI was the quickest compact car (even quicker than the relatively quick Focus) in the July 2011 Motor Trend comparo.
Why can't I ever stumble on a deal like that on an awesome car...
OP, sorry for the diversion...
Congratulations on the new TDI, I suspect you will find it does better than 44 by the first scheduled oil change.
Originally Posted By: tig1
How much extra did the diesel cost over the gas model?
Hard to say exactly due to differing equipment levels and the DSG vs standard automatic on the 2.5 5cyl. The 2.5 also has smaller wheels and lacks electromechanical steering.
But if you compare a 2.5 SEL premium, TDI SEL premium and V6 SEL premium the 2.5 is less and the V6 more.
I suspect that if you went through and normalized for equipment the TDI and V6 would be about the same and the 2.5 would be 1500-2000.00 less.
Frankly I wouldn't buy a 2.5, but the 2.5 is about to be replaced by either a 1.8t or 2.0t and it could also get equipment changes.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Do they still have the timing belt?
Yes.
OP, sorry for the diversion...
Congratulations on the new TDI, I suspect you will find it does better than 44 by the first scheduled oil change.
Originally Posted By: tig1
How much extra did the diesel cost over the gas model?
Hard to say exactly due to differing equipment levels and the DSG vs standard automatic on the 2.5 5cyl. The 2.5 also has smaller wheels and lacks electromechanical steering.
But if you compare a 2.5 SEL premium, TDI SEL premium and V6 SEL premium the 2.5 is less and the V6 more.
I suspect that if you went through and normalized for equipment the TDI and V6 would be about the same and the 2.5 would be 1500-2000.00 less.
Frankly I wouldn't buy a 2.5, but the 2.5 is about to be replaced by either a 1.8t or 2.0t and it could also get equipment changes.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Do they still have the timing belt?
Yes.
Do not change the oil early! Diesel's can take almost 30k to finally break-in. Use a good VW Approved 507 oil and drive on.
Fuel additives is hit or miss, in my area diesel fuel quality is barely par sometimes so I find it a necessity to guarantee smooth running. I can tell right away if I got low cetane fuel and didn't use an additive.
Just make sure ULSD only, don't want to ruin the DPF.
Fuel additives is hit or miss, in my area diesel fuel quality is barely par sometimes so I find it a necessity to guarantee smooth running. I can tell right away if I got low cetane fuel and didn't use an additive.
Just make sure ULSD only, don't want to ruin the DPF.
Originally Posted By: kam327
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: kam327
Diesel is 50 cents more than regular by me now. Ouch.
Regional variation I guess. Around here diesel right now is cheaper than regular.
What region? I just checked Springfield and Peoria IL and both are showing about a 35-cent premium for diesel. That about matches the current national average (I guess Florida is particularly bad at a 50-cent premium).
Chicago area.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: kam327
Diesel is 50 cents more than regular by me now. Ouch.
Regional variation I guess. Around here diesel right now is cheaper than regular.
What region? I just checked Springfield and Peoria IL and both are showing about a 35-cent premium for diesel. That about matches the current national average (I guess Florida is particularly bad at a 50-cent premium).
Chicago area.
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
Throw in a bit of refinement, driving dynamics and comfort, and the reality of traffic and stops/stoplights, and the diesel will shine while the altima will steadily lose MPGs.
DC traffic is about the worst in the country, and my brother beats EPA highway in his Gold TDI sitting in the traffic and driving around town. >50 is doable.
In the money is easy.
As an example there was a link on here to the test Edmunds did. They got 38 mpg+ from their test Altima.
Compare these two and you'll never be in the money by buying the diesel VW.
Throw in a bit of refinement, driving dynamics and comfort, and the reality of traffic and stops/stoplights, and the diesel will shine while the altima will steadily lose MPGs.
DC traffic is about the worst in the country, and my brother beats EPA highway in his Gold TDI sitting in the traffic and driving around town. >50 is doable.
In the money is easy.
How did you get a lifetime power train warranty out of the dealer? That is awesome if it covers you for the HPFP failure that maybe will happen someday.
The diesel difference is in how hard you can drive the car and still get great MPG. Any gas car i've driven hard gets down to as low as 20 mpg city while the worst we have ever seen in our Jetta TDI's is a 38 mpg tank.
Diesel can be excellent for hypermile type driving too, just ask that couple that pulled an 84 mpg tank over 1600 miles in a passat tdi 6 speed.
In my mind a CVT Altima is more of a driving appliance meant to be thrown out in 5 years than a car I'd enjoy driving. Can you even buy one with a manual anymore? At least nissan is more willing to deal and finance bad credit to make sales than you would ever get on a TDI VW.
The diesel difference is in how hard you can drive the car and still get great MPG. Any gas car i've driven hard gets down to as low as 20 mpg city while the worst we have ever seen in our Jetta TDI's is a 38 mpg tank.
Diesel can be excellent for hypermile type driving too, just ask that couple that pulled an 84 mpg tank over 1600 miles in a passat tdi 6 speed.
In my mind a CVT Altima is more of a driving appliance meant to be thrown out in 5 years than a car I'd enjoy driving. Can you even buy one with a manual anymore? At least nissan is more willing to deal and finance bad credit to make sales than you would ever get on a TDI VW.
I rented a 2012 Passat TDI 6-speed (but loaded interior) in Germany a year ago. 2,000 km on the autobahn and around the towns, all I can say is that it's a great car! Excellent MPG at 200-220 kmph and around town, nice ride, handling and interior.
Very nice choice.
Very nice choice.
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JHZR2
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When/if they sell the wagon with MT and TDI, Ill buy one. Have been waiting...
Originally Posted By: dareo
How did you get a lifetime power train warranty out of the dealer? That is awesome if it covers you for the HPFP failure that maybe will happen someday.
I won't at least not in the revised pump now. Although if you get [censored] fuel all bets are off.
I would not worry about it one bit in a Passat. A generation older Sportwagen or Jetta maybe.
How did you get a lifetime power train warranty out of the dealer? That is awesome if it covers you for the HPFP failure that maybe will happen someday.
I won't at least not in the revised pump now. Although if you get [censored] fuel all bets are off.
I would not worry about it one bit in a Passat. A generation older Sportwagen or Jetta maybe.
Are they still having problems with the high pressure fuel pump? If so I would save all fuel receipts. They do drive extremely well.
The dealer I dealt with gives the lifetime non-transferrable warranty on all new VW's sold. $100 deductible but good as long as the original owners own the car. It is what took us to that dealer 35 miles away rather than the VW dealer nearby that did not offer the wwarrany. Pricing for the vehicles was essentilly the same.
Aren't you supposed to keep receipts, for IRS audit purposes? At least for a few years, anyhow.
I don't know what kind of range the new TDi's get on a tank, but I have enough range that I can usually plan well ahead as to when I'm filling up. I've chosen three places--well, two now that I've realized that one is usually 10 cents more than the others--that I will fill up at, all them Irvings. One less variable.
I don't know what kind of range the new TDi's get on a tank, but I have enough range that I can usually plan well ahead as to when I'm filling up. I've chosen three places--well, two now that I've realized that one is usually 10 cents more than the others--that I will fill up at, all them Irvings. One less variable.
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