One has to have more than a NACS connector to charge at a Supercharger. The communication between charger and vehicle is different. And the vehicle has to ID to Tesla over the communication link to establish payment. This is performed externally with a credit card on CCS stations.
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Tesla has never "made a push" to get other manufacturers to adopt NACS. Tesla has said from the start that all manufacturers are welcome to join the Supercharger network on equal terms. That means "you have to help pay for it." Our lazy State Capitalist (that is a "capitalist" who does whatever the State wants and only when the State pays for it) automakers would rather let the government build "infrastructure". Politicians believe it is their duty to "give" us things, hence $7B budgeted to build charging stations but only 7 built in 4 years.
The CCS stations that have been built the past 15 years were using VW diesel fines.
Those whose only interest in building charging stations was easy government money built a shoddy product.
There is no way to do fast charging like that without slow cooking the battery, unless superconductors are invented.
There was a statement made inviting all to use it if you want to argue the term of "made a push". It was never denied anyone else using it, but there was a public statement about it from Musk at the time to invite all manufacturers to use it without any form of licensing fee. Doing so would have made automatic NACS adoption with many more cars using them. Does every conversation here have to be an argument of semantics that goes into politics? I'm losing my patience for it.
Tesla lied (sorry..."embellished") about opening up the supercharger, the same way they "embellished" practically every other claim they ever made. "Offering" for other manufacturers to use their proprietary standard is not "equal terms". In the real world, nobody would, or even legally could, actually use supercharger technology in their car designs or in any charger designs until it was formally standardized by SAE as NACS in 2022. Tesla finally did that when they realized they would have to do it in order to get government money for charger deployment. And then once it was "actually opened", everyone adopted it.
Furthermore most superchargers themselves are a "shoddy product". Most of them in the field are the obsolete V2 superchargers that only do 120kW, and even the newest V3 supercharger is only 250kW and still can't charge modern 800V cars properly. V4 super charger which is up to modern standards is supposedly "just around the corner" in Tesla speak.
Tesla deserves credit for having a head start but they are legitimately 5 years behind at this point. Their product line hasn't even changed in years, their EV architecture is old, they let Ford stomp them to the enormous pickup truck market with the Lightning, the Cybertruck is a bad joke and there isn't even an announced successor, they let VW stomp them to the minivan market with the ID.Buzz. The supercharger network was the one killer feature Tesla had but with other cars adopting NACS that's not even an exclusive anymore.
Tesla embellished about opening Superchargers? I see non Teslas at chargers using them almost every time I've plugged in.
Sure, the NACS connector would have to be a functioning NACS. It would be up to each manufacturer to ensure their internal components are NACS compatible. The first time you used it (or perhaps as a precondition), as a non Tesla owner, you would have to provide a valid credit card. After that you'd be charged like any Tesla owner (which is typically once a month).
Tesla owners have all provided a credit card somewhere along the way too.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla charged non Tesla vehicles a small premium. I think that would be fair. When you buy a Tesla you're buying access to the Supercharger network too.
We have a new Supercharger station near us. It's quite busy and there is often some non-Tesla using it too. It's hardly ever empty and we've seen up to 5 Teslas charging at once. There are about 8 stations and Tesla quite cleverly installed extra stations a few steps away that aren't functioning yet.
They actually opened the supercharger specs in 2022. They claimed for years before that, as far back as 2014, that they were willing to open up the superchargers and didn't want to be a walled garden, but never actually did open them up until required to do so as a condition of government contracts.
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Standard is a relative thing. Is 120V charging a standard? Is what we already have prior to Tesla supercharger a standard? Is Tesla now opening to other brands to use (at a premium since they put in the R&D initially for their own vehicles) a standard?
When you have to deal with a standard committee you have to negotiate. It is not always just what is better but who owns what patent and how much they need to pay to use certain standard. You see that in some mpeg standard that people forgot to ask about and then a patent troll started charging everyone including Google and Microsoft royalty and sour that "standard" for everyone later. You see Oracle started suing everyone for Java "Standard" and demand a payment and then everyone move away from their "standard" to work around the patent. There are better cellular technologies that didn't go into 5G because people don't want to pay an arm and a leg to Qualcomm and Huawei unless they absolutely have to, or unless Qualcomm and Huawei promised to charge less so that goes into the "standard", or wait till the patent expires.
Most importantly, does a "standard" prevent you from coming up with your own better design and makes you settle for an older, not as good "standard"? Tesla seems to ignore the prior "standard" because it is not as good and they can do better. Now we have Tesla vs "standard" and what are you going to do about that diversion?
You are the one turning mole hills into mountains by claiming an open invitation to partake as an equal was a "push".
I guess when Walmart unlocks their doors each morning I am being "pushed" inside.
I didn't for over 10 years. When Tesla provides free Supercharging with a car, for a brief period or for duration of ownership, or life of the vehicle, no credit card is used.
Yes, Tesla does. To help pay for building the Supercharger network, a cost bundled in the price of a new Tesla.
How did "Tesla realize they would have to do it to get government money?" How did Tesla not know this for over a decade? Tesla built the greatest DCFS network in the world out of their own pocket.
A 120kW DCFS from 2012 that has a 99.7% uptime is a "shoddy product". Right.
You wouldn't consider the notion Tesla builds Superchargers to power levels they trust to charge Tesla batteries without excessive wear?
Others grab headlines announcing 350 kW DCFS! Yet without a vehicle capable of charging at 350 kW.
Also lets be the first to say, "800V!" and let the easily impressionable tell each other how great 800V is! You know a 21 jewel watch is ever so much superior to a 14 jewel watch! And an 18 transistor radio is superior to the 8 transistor radio! You youngsters are so easy to impress.
So you continue to demonstrate you don't know Tesla, don't understand what Tesla is doing. That Tesla and Elon Musk are way over your head. I'm not asking a question, I'm stating fact.
He made a public announcement about it inviting other EV manufacturers. That's what I meant. Now we're arguing semantics of language. This is beyond stupid.
That 5 minute charge would be good for the weekend Vegas crew that wait hours in line to charge on Barstow and daggett.
