NEW Amsoil Brake Fluid
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I am continually impressed by Amsoil's continual growing list of high quality products. The eao oil filters are the only one's will use in automobiles (also endorsed by Terry Dyson who is at the top of the list of the Non-Endorsement/Endorsement Hall of Fame List). I was thinking last year that would be awesome if they came out with 0w20 full synthetic and it is now is my vehicle-a friend of mine had some left over and traded him some of my stash of 5w20 Redline. The Amsoil 0w20 has increased by gas mileage by 2-3mpg as my accord has reached thirty miles per gallon the last three fill-ups with the Michelin Exalto AS, which are not fuel efficient tires. A few months back it would be cool if they upgraded TSO 0w30, and out came the SSO. I was at the Honda Dealer a month ago and he recommended changing brake fluid and I held off thinking maybe Amsoil would have break fluid. They are an amazing company, and items are well integrated and thought out to reach broad and in-depth customer base. I will most definitely use a site person when decide to make larger purchase, especially since can pick it up in Lancaster PA.
I could not find prices for either fluid in the provided links.
I noticed the bottles are only 12ozs.
I'm currently using Ate Super Blue/Type 200 brake fluid that has 536F/280C - 396F/202C dry - wet boiling points.
The Ate fluid costs $10.95 per liter with free shipping on 10+ liters.
How much are the Amsoil fluids?
I noticed the bottles are only 12ozs.
I'm currently using Ate Super Blue/Type 200 brake fluid that has 536F/280C - 396F/202C dry - wet boiling points.
The Ate fluid costs $10.95 per liter with free shipping on 10+ liters.
How much are the Amsoil fluids?
The prices aren't posted quite yet. Maybe Monday, I'm thinking.
AMSOIL Series 600 (DOT 4)
580°F dry boiling point
410°F wet boiling point
SERIES 600 DOT 4 RACING BRAKE FLUID
BF4SN ea (1) 12-oz. bottle $12.70 (PC $9.95)
BF4SN ca (12) 12-oz. bottles $151.20 (PC $113.40)
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AMSOIL Series 500 (DOT 3)
525°F dry boiling point
313°F wet boiling point
SERIES 500 DOT 3 HIGH-PERFORMANCE BRAKE FLUID
BF3SN ea (1) 12-oz. bottle $5.70 (PC $4.45)
BF3SN ca (12) 12-oz. bottles $67.20 (PC $50.40)
AMSOIL Series 600 (DOT 4)
580°F dry boiling point
410°F wet boiling point
SERIES 600 DOT 4 RACING BRAKE FLUID
BF4SN ea (1) 12-oz. bottle $12.70 (PC $9.95)
BF4SN ca (12) 12-oz. bottles $151.20 (PC $113.40)
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AMSOIL Series 500 (DOT 3)
525°F dry boiling point
313°F wet boiling point
SERIES 500 DOT 3 HIGH-PERFORMANCE BRAKE FLUID
BF3SN ea (1) 12-oz. bottle $5.70 (PC $4.45)
BF3SN ca (12) 12-oz. bottles $67.20 (PC $50.40)
Wow! The case price (Preferred Customer) is 78.8 cents per ounce plus shipping for the 600.
The 500 PC case price is 35 cents per ounce plus shipping but its wet boiling point is only 313F.
I'll stick with the Ate Super Blue / Type 200 for 32 cents per ounce with a wet boiling point of 396F. It's been proven for years and manufactured by a company that makes OEM brake systems for several automobile companies.
(Valvoline High Performance SynPower brake fluid has 500F/329F dry/wet boiling points and costs only 16 cents per ounce.)
The 500 PC case price is 35 cents per ounce plus shipping but its wet boiling point is only 313F.
I'll stick with the Ate Super Blue / Type 200 for 32 cents per ounce with a wet boiling point of 396F. It's been proven for years and manufactured by a company that makes OEM brake systems for several automobile companies.
(Valvoline High Performance SynPower brake fluid has 500F/329F dry/wet boiling points and costs only 16 cents per ounce.)
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Originally Posted By: STG
I'll stick with the Ate Super Blue / Type 200 for 32 cents per ounce with a wet boiling point of 396F. It's been proven for years and manufactured by a company that makes OEM brake systems for several automobile companies.
(Valvoline High Performance SynPower brake fluid has 500F/329F dry/wet boiling points and costs only 16 cents per ounce.)
You have to remember, when talking after market products from Amsoil there is an "extra" layer of distribution. This is why wix, donaldson, trico, and mothers cost more.
Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, it's just branded by them.
Most of the above mentioned products are added on for "convenience" and most sold to the preferred customer/dealer program as they get the good price discount.
I'll stick with the Ate Super Blue / Type 200 for 32 cents per ounce with a wet boiling point of 396F. It's been proven for years and manufactured by a company that makes OEM brake systems for several automobile companies.
(Valvoline High Performance SynPower brake fluid has 500F/329F dry/wet boiling points and costs only 16 cents per ounce.)
You have to remember, when talking after market products from Amsoil there is an "extra" layer of distribution. This is why wix, donaldson, trico, and mothers cost more.
Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, it's just branded by them.
Most of the above mentioned products are added on for "convenience" and most sold to the preferred customer/dealer program as they get the good price discount.
Originally Posted By: msparks
You have to remember, when talking after market products from Amsoil there is an "extra" layer of distribution. This is why wix, donaldson, trico, and mothers cost more.
Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, it's just branded by them.
Most of the above mentioned products are added on for "convenience" and most sold to the preferred customer/dealer program as they get the good price discount.
I used the "Preferred Customer" prices in my comparison. The performance/price equation just doesn't make sense.
You have to remember, when talking after market products from Amsoil there is an "extra" layer of distribution. This is why wix, donaldson, trico, and mothers cost more.
Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, it's just branded by them.
Most of the above mentioned products are added on for "convenience" and most sold to the preferred customer/dealer program as they get the good price discount.
I used the "Preferred Customer" prices in my comparison. The performance/price equation just doesn't make sense.
I tend to think, even though Amsoil is new to the BF market, they are using better ingredients. There is more to a BF than BP, and certainly Amsoil's prices follow the price of the materials in the formulations.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I tend to think, even though Amsoil is new to the BF market, they are using better ingredients. There is more to a BF than BP, and certainly Amsoil's prices follow the price of the materials in the formulations.
Kindly provide the ingredients in Ate Super Blue and Amsoil 500/600.
I tend to think, even though Amsoil is new to the BF market, they are using better ingredients. There is more to a BF than BP, and certainly Amsoil's prices follow the price of the materials in the formulations.
Kindly provide the ingredients in Ate Super Blue and Amsoil 500/600.
Originally Posted By: STG
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I tend to think, even though Amsoil is new to the BF market, they are using better ingredients. There is more to a BF than BP, and certainly Amsoil's prices follow the price of the materials in the formulations.
Kindly provide the ingredients in Ate Super Blue and Amsoil 500/600.
I don't know the ingredients nor the manufacturer of ingredients for both products. I don't even have an MSDS for the new product yet. The closest thing available to view is the picture of the label in this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-doesnt-amsoil-make-brake-fluid.75704/
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I tend to think, even though Amsoil is new to the BF market, they are using better ingredients. There is more to a BF than BP, and certainly Amsoil's prices follow the price of the materials in the formulations.
Kindly provide the ingredients in Ate Super Blue and Amsoil 500/600.
I don't know the ingredients nor the manufacturer of ingredients for both products. I don't even have an MSDS for the new product yet. The closest thing available to view is the picture of the label in this thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-doesnt-amsoil-make-brake-fluid.75704/
I have a feeling these prices will come down. Just look at what happened with the NGK spark plugs. Amsoil seems to aim high with their initial prices.
I too will stick with the ATE blue for now.
I too will stick with the ATE blue for now.
Oil prices increasing March 1
Excellent! I'm excited about this new Amsoil brake fluid. Do you think Amsoil will publish any comparisons against competing products like they do for their other items?
Someone said something like Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, they just have their name on it. Is that true? I mean I'm sure Amsoil doesn't manufacture the ingredients; I get the impression they are an oil blender using ingredients from places such as Lubrizol, Infineon, etc? But I would be surprised to hear Amsoil is simply relabelling finished brake fluid made by someone else?
Someone said something like Amsoil doesn't manufacture the brake fluid, they just have their name on it. Is that true? I mean I'm sure Amsoil doesn't manufacture the ingredients; I get the impression they are an oil blender using ingredients from places such as Lubrizol, Infineon, etc? But I would be surprised to hear Amsoil is simply relabelling finished brake fluid made by someone else?
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According to what the company reps told us in the fall,
AMSOIL is having the brake fluid manufactured for them according to their specs. It is not simply relabelled any more than the AMSOIL oil or air filters are relabelled.
AMSOIL is having the brake fluid manufactured for them according to their specs. It is not simply relabelled any more than the AMSOIL oil or air filters are relabelled.
Ok thanks for the info!
Just checked my email:
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Paul;
I'm sorry, that is confidential. (But it is also irrelevant as it is made to AMSOIL specifications.)
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Paul;
I'm sorry, that is confidential. (But it is also irrelevant as it is made to AMSOIL specifications.)
Pablo (or ANY of the dealers on here); any more info on this??
I am really curious as to who is sub contracting this stuff for A.J.?
With the 600, did they purposely target the rate/speed of hygroscopicity to avoid the need to CONSTANTLY bleed/flush the system like other racing/high temp brake fluids (when used for a street application)???
I am really curious as to who is sub contracting this stuff for A.J.?
With the 600, did they purposely target the rate/speed of hygroscopicity to avoid the need to CONSTANTLY bleed/flush the system like other racing/high temp brake fluids (when used for a street application)???
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Pablo (or ANY of the dealers on here); any more info on this??
I am really curious as to who is sub contracting this stuff for A.J.?
With the 600, did they purposely target the rate/speed of hygroscopicity to avoid the need to CONSTANTLY bleed/flush the system like other racing/high temp brake fluids (when used for a street application)???
The rate of hydroscopicity is not in itself an indicator of brake fluid longevity.
I asked an engineer at Continental Automotive Systems USA about the differences in Ate brake fluid performance and was given a rather suprising answer regarding brake fluid water absorption.
Ate Super Blue / Typ 200 is Ate's longest-lasting brake fluid not because it absorbs less moisture, but because it can handle more moisture and still perform better than other Ate fluids.
As it turns out, Super Blue / Type 200 actually absorbs more moisture faster than any other Ate DOT 3 or 4 fluid.
It's not the rate of moisture absorption or saturation that affects a brake fluid's longevity or performance. It's how a given fluid handles the moisture it has absorbed.
I received a short e-mail outlining this:
Stan, it was a pleasure speaking with you about our ATE brake products and we certainly appreciate your business.
I spoke to our technical staff about your question and this was their response. I hope that this information will be of some benefit to you.
Question: Can we provide information about the moisture absorption rate of all of your different types of ATE brake fluid?
As the moisture absorption rate is dependent on external conditions such as temperature, moisture content, area of the absorbing fluid surface and depth of the absorbing fluid layer, it is not reasonable to define moisture absorption rates for any of these conditions explicitly.
The absorption rate under comparable conditions is the least for ATE DOT 3 and increases for the following brake fluids respectively: ATE DOT 4 SL, ATE Super DOT 4, ATE DOT 4 SL.6, ATE Typ 200 / ATE Super Blue Racing.
However, the boiling point depression caused by the water absorption is the least for ATE Typ 200 / ATE Super Blue Racing and the highest for ATE DOT 3.
In conclusion, these two effects moving in opposite directions cause the well-known dependence between boiling point and water content and the superior behavior of e.g. ATE Typ 200 compared to ATE DOT 3 despite of its higher moisture absorption rate.
Donald James
Marketing
Aftermarket - North America
Continental Automotive Systems
Pablo (or ANY of the dealers on here); any more info on this??
I am really curious as to who is sub contracting this stuff for A.J.?
With the 600, did they purposely target the rate/speed of hygroscopicity to avoid the need to CONSTANTLY bleed/flush the system like other racing/high temp brake fluids (when used for a street application)???
The rate of hydroscopicity is not in itself an indicator of brake fluid longevity.
I asked an engineer at Continental Automotive Systems USA about the differences in Ate brake fluid performance and was given a rather suprising answer regarding brake fluid water absorption.
Ate Super Blue / Typ 200 is Ate's longest-lasting brake fluid not because it absorbs less moisture, but because it can handle more moisture and still perform better than other Ate fluids.
As it turns out, Super Blue / Type 200 actually absorbs more moisture faster than any other Ate DOT 3 or 4 fluid.
It's not the rate of moisture absorption or saturation that affects a brake fluid's longevity or performance. It's how a given fluid handles the moisture it has absorbed.
I received a short e-mail outlining this:
Stan, it was a pleasure speaking with you about our ATE brake products and we certainly appreciate your business.
I spoke to our technical staff about your question and this was their response. I hope that this information will be of some benefit to you.
Question: Can we provide information about the moisture absorption rate of all of your different types of ATE brake fluid?
As the moisture absorption rate is dependent on external conditions such as temperature, moisture content, area of the absorbing fluid surface and depth of the absorbing fluid layer, it is not reasonable to define moisture absorption rates for any of these conditions explicitly.
The absorption rate under comparable conditions is the least for ATE DOT 3 and increases for the following brake fluids respectively: ATE DOT 4 SL, ATE Super DOT 4, ATE DOT 4 SL.6, ATE Typ 200 / ATE Super Blue Racing.
However, the boiling point depression caused by the water absorption is the least for ATE Typ 200 / ATE Super Blue Racing and the highest for ATE DOT 3.
In conclusion, these two effects moving in opposite directions cause the well-known dependence between boiling point and water content and the superior behavior of e.g. ATE Typ 200 compared to ATE DOT 3 despite of its higher moisture absorption rate.
Donald James
Marketing
Aftermarket - North America
Continental Automotive Systems
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STG - good information and well stated. Castrol used to make very similar statements years ago. I am no brake fluid expert, but while the rate of H2O absorption is no doubt important, I think you can only control it so much and mitigate the effects. I have not seen a curve of Amsoil's two fluids, but looking at the two points for both fluids, it does look like curve is steeper for the DOT 3. The other bad effects (corrosion mainly) of water can be handled with a good additive formulation. (mostly amines)
As for who the blender is, I have no idea. Why the big desire to know? It's Amsoil's formula, that's all I know. If I knew this information and was under no obligation to keep it secret I would tell BITOG.
As for who the blender is, I have no idea. Why the big desire to know? It's Amsoil's formula, that's all I know. If I knew this information and was under no obligation to keep it secret I would tell BITOG.
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