Close but no cigar. Somebody is going to get their butt chewed.
Near Miss At Chicago Midway
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Wow, great situational awareness, reaction and go around by the 737 pilots.
I don't think the tires touched. I didn't see any smoke. That pilot was on the ball!
Vasa Aviation has a nice Youtube with the audio from both the ground controller and the tower controller synced up.
The business jet and crew is the one who is going to get chewed out. They were given instructions to cross one runway and hold short of the next. They messed up the readback, and ground told them that. He then gave them the instructions again, which they read back correctly the second time. They then failed to hold short of the active runway.
Extremely lucky the Southwest pilots had the situational awareness they did, particularly as the two planes were on separate frequencies.
The business jet and crew is the one who is going to get chewed out. They were given instructions to cross one runway and hold short of the next. They messed up the readback, and ground told them that. He then gave them the instructions again, which they read back correctly the second time. They then failed to hold short of the active runway.
Extremely lucky the Southwest pilots had the situational awareness they did, particularly as the two planes were on separate frequencies.
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The never touched the runway ( no ground spoilers , plus can see ) and did a Low energy go around.
It’s hard to believe any plane would not check ( “ clear right, clear left “ whenever you cross a runway ) to see if it was safe to cross the runway assuming they were situationally aware they were approaching a runway but probably not.
That was very close.
It’s hard to believe any plane would not check ( “ clear right, clear left “ whenever you cross a runway ) to see if it was safe to cross the runway assuming they were situationally aware they were approaching a runway but probably not.
That was very close.
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Thankfully competent pilots. That would have been a disaster like the runway collision at Tenerife, Spain in 1977.
BTW, is 'near miss' actually the correct term? What's the difference then between a 'near miss' and a 'near crash'?
Seems like if you nearly miss something you hit it. For example; 'The archer took aim at the bullseye and nearly missed the entire target. Not trying to be being pedantic but language precision is important.
BTW, is 'near miss' actually the correct term? What's the difference then between a 'near miss' and a 'near crash'?
Seems like if you nearly miss something you hit it. For example; 'The archer took aim at the bullseye and nearly missed the entire target. Not trying to be being pedantic but language precision is important.
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Exactly.
The Regional Jet didn't even see it landing.
A few seconds earlier ( regional Jet not quite as close to the runway ) would have been entirely different as the B737 might not have known a few seconds earlier the regional Jet was going to cross, would have actually have touched down and deployed full reverse ( no go arounds after reverse thrust is used ) leaving the only option for the B737 to swerve hard right and hope they don't hit anything.
I just checked my JEPP charts, there is a aircraft hangar near the end of the runway ( Southwest hangar ) on the north ramp.
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I explained to my wife this highlights why when I put her on an airplane, I am extremely particular about who, what, when, and where. This is what 15,000+ combined flight hours in the cockpit gets you. The SWA pilots were on the ball long before the tower controller (and likely ASDE-X) alerted them. Experience begets heightened SA.
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You won't see a lot of 15,000 hour pilots flying NB except Airlines that only have one fleet type like SW.
Just for clarification, it was a Challenger 350. N560FX operated by FlexJet. The initial rumor is the FlexJet crew fumbled the taxi and crossing instructions and had to be corrected by ground controller. Taxing to 22L via 4R, told to cross 31L and hold short 31C. Kept moving as they approached 31C and ground controller told them to hold short again but got blocked. At same time, tower controller is telling SWA to go around but the crew was way ahead of them already in the climb. FlexJet went straight thru 31C and never stopped.
I am assuming a combined flight time between CA and FO, but yes I agree.
Tks, your aviation insights also Astro14 are invaluable. My flying experience is with a flight instructor in a Cessna 150 doing touch 'n goes at Midway AP when it was a sleepy airfield long ago. Chicago still had Meigs Airfield on the lake until mayor Daley shut it down.
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Seems like a really good performance by the SW crew. They were alert and observant and took immediate action as required and averted disaster.
Hope that the crew of the fractional/on-demand charter aircraft get some appropriate certificate action.
Hope that the crew of the fractional/on-demand charter aircraft get some appropriate certificate action.
Was FlexJet was taxiing on a runway with no hold short lines?
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What did the crew of FlexJet think when they did not respond? That ground going to forget the incident?
These guys lost their way into this business.
These guys lost their way into this business.
