In all real life the 274 #2 is better,though Mystik red high temp grease is very good and its sister lithium complex SX-6 semi are really good,,Mystik make good grease for this type,Citgo is the owner,but from I understand Mystik products as a whole come out of a Mystik plant,including other lubricants they blend.BL
Mystik superior to Schaeffer
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Viscosoity numbers @100 F for mystik all wrong.
Compared to 100C and 40C number at SUS 100F should be about 3,000 if that is the case I like a higher vis oil.
the "base oil used" is what the vis numbers are quoteing you normally a higher vis base oil grease will have better wear numbers which mistik has and lower wash out.
Four ball, timken and washout ALL favor the mystik.
It looks better to me.
bruce
Compared to 100C and 40C number at SUS 100F should be about 3,000 if that is the case I like a higher vis oil.
the "base oil used" is what the vis numbers are quoteing you normally a higher vis base oil grease will have better wear numbers which mistik has and lower wash out.
Four ball, timken and washout ALL favor the mystik.
It looks better to me.
bruce
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I'm trying to decide what grease is actually the better of the two. I have easy access to the Mystik line of greases and Schaeffer is highly touted on this forum. I want to believe that Schaeffer is better but to the laymen like myself, the numbers favor Mystik. Below are the comparative specs between Mystik JT-6 High Temp vs. Schaeffer #274. I've only listed the ingredients that both web sites list identically. Both sites list some specs that the other doesn't and vice versa but again, without the benefit of discussion forums such as BITOG and judging only the published numbers, Mystik is the better of the two greases. One thing you will notice is the dramatic differences in viscosity. Viscosity is the number one cause of my misunderstandings on greases and oils. So I'm all eyes and ears if somone can explain to me the function and meaning of viscosity numbers pertaining to grease.
Mystic High Temp LC2 vs. Schaeffer #274
Dropping point F: 550/500 advantage:Mystik
Worked Penetration, 60 strokes: 265-295 Mystik 280-295 Schaeffer advantage:even
Water washout test: 2.5/5.4 advantage Mystik (shouldn't Schaeffer be zero or is the higher number better?)
Timken EP test 80/60 advantage: Mystik
Four ball EP test: 50/45.1 advantage:Schaeffer (but a close call)
Load wear index: 315/315 advantage: even
Scar Diameter: .45mm/.6mm advantage: Mystik
Oil Seperation % of weight: 1/2 advantage: Mystik
Vis SUS 100 F: 728/800 advantage: ?
Vis Cst 40 C: 633/152.7 advantage: ?
Vis Cst 100 C: 44/ 14.83 advantage:?
VI: 116/105 advantage: ?
In conclusion, if this is all the information I have to form an assumption of which is the better grease to buy, I would choose Mystik and remember, this is Schaeffer's synthetic grease I am comparing to mineral base and I want to convince myself to buy Schaeffer. Im not knocking Schaeffer but to be covinced to purchase some and say it is the greatest, these comparative numbers need some explaining by someone in the know-especially the radical differences in visocsity numbers.
Mystic High Temp LC2 vs. Schaeffer #274
Dropping point F: 550/500 advantage:Mystik
Worked Penetration, 60 strokes: 265-295 Mystik 280-295 Schaeffer advantage:even
Water washout test: 2.5/5.4 advantage Mystik (shouldn't Schaeffer be zero or is the higher number better?)
Timken EP test 80/60 advantage: Mystik
Four ball EP test: 50/45.1 advantage:Schaeffer (but a close call)
Load wear index: 315/315 advantage: even
Scar Diameter: .45mm/.6mm advantage: Mystik
Oil Seperation % of weight: 1/2 advantage: Mystik
Vis SUS 100 F: 728/800 advantage: ?
Vis Cst 40 C: 633/152.7 advantage: ?
Vis Cst 100 C: 44/ 14.83 advantage:?
VI: 116/105 advantage: ?
In conclusion, if this is all the information I have to form an assumption of which is the better grease to buy, I would choose Mystik and remember, this is Schaeffer's synthetic grease I am comparing to mineral base and I want to convince myself to buy Schaeffer. Im not knocking Schaeffer but to be covinced to purchase some and say it is the greatest, these comparative numbers need some explaining by someone in the know-especially the radical differences in visocsity numbers.
there are much better non-melt high temp. greases out there...just keep looking.
cut out the sarcasm
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enough sarcasm guys, lets get back on topic. Madmax, you can mention non-site sponor's products, just not links to their ordering pages. Thanks, Joe
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Lets see here, citgo owned by commie socialist dictator,
comes to the US and insults us, owns mystic,
or oldest US manufacturer Family owned.
GEE.......... Real tough choice here.
comes to the US and insults us, owns mystic,
or oldest US manufacturer Family owned.
GEE.......... Real tough choice here.
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Concrete, Thanks for bringing that to my attention. After reading your post, I went to Citgo's web page and read their history and you are indeed correct. As a retired Marine I bleed red, white, and blue. So Citgo is off my list. I swear I have spent more time and research finding the best grease to suit my needs than I did picking the wife's wedding ring! I am learning volumes about grease and guess I have to research the background of the company before I choose their product. Yes, I am that hardline
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Oil Changer, take a look at Chevron Delo. It, like Mystik is Lith Complex, available in #2 and the specs. are as good as Mystik, in some areas slightly better, except for low temp. pumping. I use either one interchangably...and Chevron, if I remember right, originated in the good old U.S.A.!
No need to write Citgo off your list. This is a U.S. based company with foreign/global ownership, something very common in the 21st century.
Citgo lubricants are top-notch formulations, most of the employees have been with the company long before the Venezuelan's acquired a controlling interest.
The Lake Charles, LA refinery is one of the oldest continually running refineries in the US and dating back to WWII, has a direct pipeline to the US Strategic Petroleum Reserves, which are stored in old salt mine caverns in the nearby Louisiana countryside.
The Mystik line of lubricants has solid formulations, and many of the products distributed in my area of southern Wisconsin, are blended just south of the WI-IL border in Cicero, IL.
So, while a percentage of the corporate ownership is linked to Venezuala, Citgo still has a proud history & many hard working US employees.
Chavez is the Devil and supporting him is like supporting the Taliban or N. Korea. I loved it when a bunch of freezing Alaskans turned down free heating oil from CITGO becasue Chaves called Bush the Devil. I'm not a Bush fan, but we should not support Countries that openly hate America and Americans. I chose to not do business with CITGO, there are plenty of products that do just fine and that aren't owned by other enemy's to the US.
According to this, he owns 100% of CITGO-
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-01-11-citgo-cover-usat_x.htm
http://www.kcchronicle.com/BusinessSection/324092724301885.php
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-01-11-citgo-cover-usat_x.htm
http://www.kcchronicle.com/BusinessSection/324092724301885.php
well schaeffers is only been in biz since the 1830s. they are the actually oldest oil co in the u.s. they have a german backgd and also was previously part owned by Anheuser bush but decided that beer had a better opportunity than oil. that is why both are across the street from each other in st.Louis mo. anyway, just thought I'd give you a little info on them.
Schaeffer has been in a blood and guts fight for a long time with some very tough competition in the greases market. Several companies have come and gone and some remain in the industrial market. SWEPCO, TRC, Hydrotex, etc. Its a tough market and the industrial market greases far exceed the typical consumer or over the road products from the major oil companies.
274 is a low temp environment grease. You're also doing a comparison of greases without bring the actual usage into the conversation. When going after anything greater the 400 deg F I would go for Schaeffer 248, Schaeffer 260 or Moly Syngard. If you have to fight water I would go for I think its 229, Bob can correct me here. They're two distinctly different worlds, water and very high temp. If you're using Moly Syngard then wash out the old grease and you'll see staying power and performance under heat that's excellent. If you're under water spray and washout conditions the 229 is great but it won't handle the heat.
274 is a low temp environment grease. You're also doing a comparison of greases without bring the actual usage into the conversation. When going after anything greater the 400 deg F I would go for Schaeffer 248, Schaeffer 260 or Moly Syngard. If you have to fight water I would go for I think its 229, Bob can correct me here. They're two distinctly different worlds, water and very high temp. If you're using Moly Syngard then wash out the old grease and you'll see staying power and performance under heat that's excellent. If you're under water spray and washout conditions the 229 is great but it won't handle the heat.
Try some Phillips 66 #2 synthetic grease it's got a timken load of 80.
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Concrete, Thanks for bringing that to my attention. After reading your post, I went to Citgo's web page and read their history and you are indeed correct. As a retired Marine I bleed red, white, and blue. So Citgo is off my list. I swear I have spent more time and research finding the best grease to suit my needs than I did picking the wife's wedding ring! I am learning volumes about grease and guess I have to research the background of the company before I choose their product. Yes, I am that hardline!
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