Mystery water in 6L50

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Hey folks. First time poster here with a baffling issue.
A little background… I have a 2007 Cadillac SRX (V8, AWD), which has a 6L50. I’ve owned it since 2015 and from about 60k up to its current 170k miles. I drive it hard, but I’ve always maintained it above and beyond what’s required. Trans has never been rebuilt. Pan is dropped and fluid changed (6 qts worth) roughly annually with a new filter and more thorough flush every 2-3 years on average. All I’m getting at here is that this is a super well maintained unit.
My mystery is water in the trans fluid. Specifically, it seems localized to a small section of the pan and, as I just noticed today, the case directly above that. I encountered it for the first time last year during my usual pan drop fluid exchange, but chalked it up to AC condensate having perhaps flowed in a little when I was taking the pan off. Now, a year later, I dropped the pan two days ago and found water yet again, so I’ve ruled out the original theory and am now worried. I then cleaned it all out, ran 18 qts of new fluid through, and drove the car about 100 miles until today when I dropped the pan to check again. Lo and behold, more water, as seen in the pictures from today.
If you’re still with me, I’m trying to figure out the source of this (perhaps it’s normal?). The trans cooler is independent of the radiator, so it’s not coolant. It wasn’t even raining the last two days since the clean out and 18 qt flush, so it can’t be somehow entering through the vent lines. The evaporator drain exits directly over the case on the driver’s side (same side that the contaminated fluid is in the pan and top of the inside of the case). This led me to run a hose for about a half hour positioned right where the evaporator would drip in an effort to find a possible crack or porosity issue. However, there was no sign of water intrusion after that test.
My final two theories are:
1. Water from the evaporator drain is entering through the pan gasket as it runs down the side of the case. (My thoughts against this are that the pan gasket does not leak trans fluid whatsoever, and secondly that it doesn’t explain the contaminated fluid directly above that area at the top of the case interior).
2. Due to high humidity, water is condensing on the case interior once the trans is up to operating temperature due to the cold evaporator drain water running down the side of the case. My only thought against this are why I wouldn’t have encountered more instances of this among other people during my searches for info online.
Anyway, thanks to anyone who read all this and might have a pointer!
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Have any oil droplets in the coolant?
Nope, and the SRX has a stand alone trans cooler. Another data point, the vent hose on the 6L50 is on the passenger side of the case. My water intrusion appears to be on the drivers side only.
 
How exactly did you rule out water entry through the vent?
I cleaned the pan thoroughly and flushed 18qts of new fluid through. No other signs of water during the flush. Drove 100 miles over a two day period with totally dry roads and dropped the pan. Found water again and took the pictures. Removed the TEHCM and valve body for a better view of the water up at the top of the case as well.
 
True on just about any GM unit, Then it get whipped-up & ends up at the converter/lube dumping ground at the rear of the pan/unit
Interesting. Maybe it just had more water in the vent hose from some prior event and it made its way in? It’s just odd to me that it’s only at the top of the inside of the case on one side but not the other.
I suppose I could pop the pan on, put a rag over the end of the hose where it terminates up at the firewall, and watch the low end that I can see at the trans mount, while blowing some shop air through my pan drain. Should be able to clear out water if there is any sitting in the drain line.
 
That may be a consequence of not having the trans cooler in the radiator...not getting hot enough to boil off any moisture? I think these had a thermostatic bypass in the oil line but not sure what the normal running temp is.
 
That may be a consequence of not having the trans cooler in the radiator...not getting hot enough to boil off any moisture? I think these had a thermostatic bypass in the oil line but not sure what the normal running temp is.
Hmm, perhaps. I know the newer, full-size trucks have some sort of valve or bypass, but I don’t think these Sigma platform Cadillacs do.
 
So I nave a 2010 ford f150 with the 6r80 6 speed transmission. This transmission is somewhat sealed and goes under a vaccum when it cools. I beleve the vent has a check valve. There has been a few occations where a oil leak is also a area where water gets sucked in. Poor design! it Happened with a bad bulkhead connector on the case and again when a oil cooler line developed a leak. Not sure about your individule transmission design. What I would do is presurize the transmission from the oil pan drain ( low about 2psi. Dont over presurize ) get a spray bottle and a bottle of bubble fluid the kids use from the dollar tree. Spray everything transmission related and see if it bubbles, or leaks transmission fluid. Repair accordingly. Water in without some oil out? thats real odd and you have a lot of water. Look into the vent it may be defective, Missing or something. Mine (and almost every vehicle i know of) has a transmission radiator cooler AND an auxilery cooled added. Especially on a truck. It very well could be coolent just rule it out. Mine was just on the bottom under the oil without condensation like your getting. Again Odd yes. Good Luck
 
Hmm, perhaps. I know the newer, full-size trucks have some sort of valve or bypass, but I don’t think these Sigma platform Cadillacs do.
I would definitely verify that there's no vent system with a bad check valve.
 
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