My Suv had a heart attack, too much Bacon? Help!

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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Apparently what it was we don't know, and may never know. One thing for sure was it wasn't Mobil 1.


We would know exactly what it was if somebody was willing to put out the expense for a lab analysis. Apparently Blackstone is not equipped for that.
 
Originally Posted By: das_peikko
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Apparently what it was we don't know, and may never know. One thing for sure was it wasn't Mobil 1.


We would know exactly what it was if somebody was willing to put out the expense for a lab analysis. Apparently Blackstone is not equipped for that.


Which is why I said "we don't know, and may never know."
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Oh my that looks bad. Don't look like Mobil 1 or even Mobil 2.
And it sure isn't MagnaTec unintelligent molecule before they got intelligence.

I'd think tampered jug. Has happened (I've had a tampered quart once), also filter switching in boxes.
Still curious what it really is but who knows.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
If it is vegetable oil, how would it even allow the rotating assembly to rotate without burning it up? There had to be some kind oil petroleum oil in that container.
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Why would you think it was petroleum oil? Look at the video. It is not oil. Any oil like substance seen probably is old oil, the slime is whatever someone put into the mobil 1 container, which is not oil.

The original poster needs to send the sludge out for a chemical analysis, to find out what it is. He supposedly has the original container, he should drain that into a cup and send out.

When it come back as not mobil 1, walmart is then responsible. He now has a case and fault to blame on walmart. Oil analysis is/was a waste, it's not oil.

1. Send sludge and new sample from saved container out for analysis.
2. Wait
3. Contact walmart when you get the results, they sold you something that was not mobil 1, they are responsible.

Anything else is a waste of time. Hopefully you are keeping track of your receipts and time of the effort for court.
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
If it is vegetable oil, how would it even allow the rotating assembly to rotate without burning it up? There had to be some kind oil petroleum oil in that container.
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Why would you think it was petroleum oil? Look at the video. It is not oil. Any oil like substance seen probably is old oil, the slime is whatever someone put into the mobil 1 container, which is not oil.

The original poster needs to send the sludge out for a chemical analysis, to find out what it is. He supposedly has the original container, he should drain that into a cup and send out



When it come back as not mobil 1, walmart is then responsible. He now has a case and fault to blame on walmart. Oil analysis is/was a waste, it's not oil.

1. Send sludge and new sample from saved container out for analysis.
2. Wait
3. Contact walmart when you get the results, they sold you something that was not mobil 1, they are responsible.


Anything else is a waste of time. Hopefully you are keeping track of your receipts and time of the effort for court.



I’m sure any full blown analysis is not cheap.
 
Would someone actually go through that much trouble to save 20 bux? Could something like this just be a one in a million fluke when the oil was originally packaged?
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Would someone actually go through that much trouble to save 20 bux? Could something like this just be a one in a million fluke when the oil was originally packaged?


There are lots of petty, and stupid, thieves out there. In short: Yes.

As for it being a mistake at Mobil, as has been mentioned repeatedly, they don't formulate one bottle of oil at a time. The formulation would have been in thousands of bottles, with subsequent widespread problems.
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Would someone actually go through that much trouble to save 20 bux?


Walmart shoppers yes.

I've seen socket sets at Harbor Freight missing one socket when the whole set is 10 dollars.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jooksing


Another thing I am shocked if this is not motor oil is that there was no wear after 1500miles.


That's not how used oil analysis work.

Large particles won't even show up, and you have large particles, we saw them in your oil pan.

UAO's see particles smaller than roughly 10 microns. However, this also assumes that these particles are suspended in the oil. Oils contain dispersants and detergents whose job is picking up contaminants and wear products and keep this stuff, along with whatever else is generated during the engine's operation in suspension. This product had no real additives, which also means it likely had no dispersants or detergents, which means that any particles, including ones from irregular wear that were smaller than 10 microns, wouldn't be suspended in the product and as such, wouldn't have shown up in the analysis.


aww man I thought I was in the clear..
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jooksing


Another thing I am shocked if this is not motor oil is that there was no wear after 1500miles.


That's not how used oil analysis work.

Large particles won't even show up, and you have large particles, we saw them in your oil pan.


He should also cut open the oil filter for a look inside for large metal particles. Use tin snips or a filter cutter (not a hacksaw or die grinder, etc) to prevent any metal contamination during the cutting process.


pLanning to crack it open..going to make my oil cutter.. using the roller blade of a can opener and some welding work.. prob is that my welder is buried behind my immobilized care in the garage. I tried cutting filters with tin snips before but no luck.

Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
That's not oil, base, or otherwise, that was in that bottle.


It could easily be vegetable oil or Linseed oil.... or "something" ... not Mobil 1

Whoever tampered with the jug did a great job hiding the evidence.

Thats what I don't understand, it was was varnish or something I would have smelled it. The stuff looked like oil going in. I use a long funnel to do the oil on this car so I would have to hold and slowly pour. Anything thing at that volume would cost more to put back- a gallon of vegetable oil is prob around $15-20. Linseed would cost more.

Blackstone did say it was oil or oil based (that they were able to run their test)

As for testing I also called testoil as they seem more advance. They said they serve industrial customers (anyone have an account with them here?) They refered me to http://www.dysonanalysis.com/. They sent me the message

" if solidified you are needing materials analysis which would cost $3000 + to analyze. Actual testing price TBD by time and effort to break it out chemically. I would have to E-Invoice for that after we look at material.

If you can get a liquid sample of about 80 -100 ml we can use our Advanced analysis service for $149 + whatever shipping you choose if in US"

Not sure if their advance testing would be any better than blackstone. Anyone want to help fund the $$$?
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18 pages and no technical conclusions
As others pointed out if this was an untapped jug … thousands of vehicles would of been hit with it since this brand is a big seller. That’s not even an engine or OCI of any significant work load.
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I have the original container but it contains the old oil from previous change. It would be awesome if I have a virgin sample. I bought the jug along another jug and I have that. I opened it for my oil experimentation you can see in one of my vids.

I also found this on the www where the oil turned into jelly... http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=176490
 
I uploaded this video a few weeks back but forgot to turn viewing public.

It shows the sludge in warmer temperatures ~60F. It slowly flows down the funnel.
 
Originally Posted By: Errtt
Oh my that looks bad. Don't look like Mobil 1 or even Mobil 2.
And it sure isn't MagnaTec unintelligent molecule before they got intelligence.

I'd think tampered jug. Has happened (I've had a tampered quart once), also filter switching in boxes.
Still curious what it really is but who knows.


The filters came from AAP if it means anything...
 
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Looks like someone put gelatine powder in your sump.

Doubt its a faulty batch of oil. They'd have produced hundreds if not thousands of jugs from a batch. They don't just make each bottle one at a time (correct me if I'm wrong).

Even straight additive free base oil wouldn't behave like that.

Seems like someone switched oil and did a return. Wonder if the place you bought it from can check the serial number to see if it was purchased and returned?

If it was tampered with, what on earth could they have put in there. Something cheaper than the oil itself for sure. Unless we have a serial engine murderer on the loose!
 
After following this for several days, I can say one thing: I will *REALLY* be paying close attention to the seals on all of my oil. I only have a couple of jugs on my shelf that came from Walmart, but still....this is scary stuff. As cheap as oil is, it is hard to believe people would do this, if in fact this is what happened.
 
I think crazyoildude is smiling up in heaven...or laughing! He was well before his time
Originally Posted By: mrdctaylor
After following this for several days, I can say one thing: I will *REALLY* be paying close attention to the seals on all of my oil. I only have a couple of jugs on my shelf that came from Walmart, but still....this is scary stuff. As cheap as oil is, it is hard to believe people would do this, if in fact this is what happened.
 
Originally Posted By: mrdctaylor
After following this for several days, I can say one thing: I will *REALLY* be paying close attention to the seals on all of my oil. I only have a couple of jugs on my shelf that came from Walmart, but still....this is scary stuff. As cheap as oil is, it is hard to believe people would do this, if in fact this is what happened.

I am sure the cashier already thinks I am carzy for immediately opening and checking the oil filter in front of them to confirm it matches the box. Long ago I learned as a teenager that once you dumped your oil and then open the filter box.. it is a long walk back to the store to exchange(and explain)
 
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