My "clip" esploded..... :)

[Pablo]

Friday last week my buddy and I were shooting outdoors. No one else around.

He's a Glock freak. But let's not go there, just necessary background for the story. He sorta wants a 1911, but is just plastic pistol reliability bound. (more necessary story set up). So he asks to fire one of my 1911's. Maybe a couple boxes of ammo worth. He has an open mind. I hand him 8 full magazines, and a box or two of .45ACP. So he finally starts to figure out how to shoot a 1911. (other times he was off). Has his shooting try. Goes back to his Glocks.

I was shooting my Colt Trooper, still tuning that beast. I was actually hitting the target at 50 yards with iron sights.

Heck with this, I want to shoot one of my 1911's. So I restuff all my magazines, including my two imitation Colt 10 round "clips" bought from THE CLIP GUY - infamous guy from the WAC gun shows. I've shot these before and generally work OK, with maybe the last round having some issue. Get out the Sig Target 1911, slammed in a 10 round mag and before I could chamber round 1, all of a sudden there is a BRANG, clatter , PING - a spring goes flying, metal parts blingoing and 10 whole rounds hit me in the belly.........and bounce on the bench.

My Glock buddy thinks it's the "deadly 1911 spring" letting loose and says so. My first thoughts, chamber clear, muzzle downrange, cease fire....

Then my second thought is wow, glad this wasn't indoors at a fancy prestige range.

Cheapie base plate spot welds had failed. Next time the show is in Monroe, I will pay "CLIP" guy a visit. See what he can do for me.

Moral = don't buy knock-offs.

 

[FirstNissan]

Im glad it didnt happen during a self-defense situation

 

[rg200amp]

OOOOk. I see what went wrong here!

Your 1911's require magazines. You used "clips". Case solved!

LOL

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
Im glad it didnt happen during a self-defense situation


Can you imagine carrying a 1911 in standard holster and this happening in a store or ???

Wow!!

Never in a million years would I carry a 10 round 1911 magazine, let alone depend on it for home self defense.

 

[Cristobal]

For a moment I thought this was part of the Curse of The Orange Can movie.

 

[bsmithwins]

Looks about typical for a Colt product.

They make (non-custom) everything like they were competing for the low bid on a Govt contract. Why people equate Colt with quality escapes me.

BSW

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: bsmithwins
Looks about typical for a Colt product.

They make (non-custom) everything like they were competing for the low bid on a Govt contract. Why people equate Colt with quality escapes me.

BSW


Dude. You are full of poop.

This isn't a Colt product anyway. Wow. Please read.

 

[bsmithwins]

So, baseplate says Colt, follower says Colt, why are you sure it's not a Colt product?

BSW

 

[Pablo]

Mainly because Colt does not make a 10 round 1911 magazine. Plus other strong indications (no Pat. Pending on the follower, holes, construction, etc)

I'm sorry for my outburst, but your insult of Colt's Manufacturing is just not correct. Yes they had issues in the past as most gun manufacturers have, but your statement was not correct.

 

[bsmithwins]

I've seen some pretty [censored] stuff come out of the Colt plant. Sometimes it seems like they are using their customers for final QC:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454085

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=320026

That said, I've also sent Sig pistols back (repeatedly) and had a Mossberg Shotgun that would not eject fired hi-brass shell before it was reworked.

BSW

 

[Pablo]

You should see the Kimber threads!

Stuff happens, but a couple threads on the net don't make the whole company junky.

 

[Robenstein]

Colt usually makes decent products...usually. Like any company...a lemon here and there is going to come out.

My big beef with Colt is their business strategy. They make some solid, yet overpriced guns IMHO. You can get a really good 1911 from other makers for less. Same with their SAA revolvers, and AR rifles.

If you look at their product line there is a lot of tried and true designs and that's about it *aside from tweaking existing designs like adding monolithic AR uppers*. I don't see any attempts at much being fresh like other makers. I think they got a bad taste in their mouths in the last few decades from trying and failing. Their Colt Z 40, which was a failure (made with CZ), the Stoner designed Colt 2000 American pistol, and their failed attempt in the 80's to get far in the US Govt pistol trials combined with a nearly constant precarious financial situation has kind of stuck them in a traditional mode and higher prices.

That being said...a Colt 1911 in 38 Super is one gun I would like to own someday. Love they was that round shoots.

 

[Spazdog]

Happens to the best of them:

big crack running up the back of a genuine Glock magazine

 

[BarryinIN]

When I started shooting IPSC, the double stack 1911-types were just starting to get popular, so there were a lot of single stack 38 Supers in use. The only large cap single stack Super mags were of questionable ancestry, but the temptation was too great, and people tried to use them anyway. It was pretty common to see the baseplate come off during a speed reload. Everyone would laugh at the "speed unload", help find the pieces, then wait for it to happen to someone else.

I'm not sure how one can blame Colt for gun show magazines.
And Eugene Stoner had nothing to do with the AA2000.

 

[bsmithwins]

Originally Posted By: BarryinIN
When I started shooting IPSC, the double stack 1911-types were just starting to get popular, so there were a lot of single stack 38 Supers in use. The only large cap single stack Super mags were of questionable ancestry, but the temptation was too great, and people tried to use them anyway. It was pretty common to see the baseplate come off during a speed reload. Everyone would laugh at the "speed unload", help find the pieces, then wait for it to happen to someone else.

I'm not sure how one can blame Colt for gun show magazines.
And Eugene Stoner had nothing to do with the AA2000.


Sure 'bout that?

'The All American 2000 pistol was designed by the Reed Knight, Jr. and Eugene Stoner (of M16 fame), at the time both working at Knight's Armament Co.' from http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/colt-all-american-2000-e.html

 

[BarryinIN]

You are right. Saying Stoner had nothing to do with it was a bit much.
I'm not sure he had much to do with it, as he went to work for KAC to work on the SR25 in 1990, and Knight says he had prototypes in the 80s. Knight also said that it was ready long before Colt got the design in early 1992, as he had been showing it around to arms makers for a couple of years.
But yeah, it would be hard to say Stoner had "nothing" to do with it when he was at least in the same building for 18 months before Colt got the design.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Pablo


Moral = don't buy knock-offs.


Agreed! I have not had good experiences with non-OEM gun show clips. My Ruger only likes Ruger clips.

 

[BarryinIN]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Pablo


Moral = don't buy knock-offs.


Agreed! I have not had good experiences with non-OEM gun show clips. My Ruger only likes Ruger clips.


Ruger makes a Garand?

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: BarryinIN
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Pablo


Moral = don't buy knock-offs.


Agreed! I have not had good experiences with non-OEM gun show clips. My Ruger only likes Ruger clips.


Ruger makes a Garand?


Fine, magazine, whatever you want to call it...the object that holds the bullets.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: BarryinIN
You are right. Saying Stoner had nothing to do with it was a bit much.
I'm not sure he had much to do with it, as he went to work for KAC to work on the SR25 in 1990, and Knight says he had prototypes in the 80s. Knight also said that it was ready long before Colt got the design in early 1992, as he had been showing it around to arms makers for a couple of years.
But yeah, it would be hard to say Stoner had "nothing" to do with it when he was at least in the same building for 18 months before Colt got the design.


I have several books that state Stoner as a designer of the Colt 2000.

Its similar to how everyone says that John Browning designed the High Power. Well he designed the rough prototypes, but it was Mr. Saive, the father of the FAL that really refined it and gets no credit.

There are always teams, the day of the lone inventor went out in the days of Edison.