Motul X-Clean gen 2 5w40

[lens_-]

Hey guys,

Does anyone have a VOA of this?

I'm currently running it on my B58 in Canada as they didn't have X-cess Gen 2 in stock for my B58. I was told that it's fine to use as long as OCI is low (5k miles)

I heard we can use LL-04 in NA now as our fuels have low sulphur since 2017.

Can someone confirm this?

 

[edyvw]

You can absolutely use it full OCI if you want.

 

[TiGeo]

Hey guys,

Does anyone have a VOA of this?

I'm currently running it on my B58 in Canada as they didn't have X-cess Gen 2 in stock for my B58. I was told that it's fine to use as long as OCI is low (5k miles)

I heard we can use LL-04 in NA now as our fuels have low sulphur since 2017.

Can someone confirm this?



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Have you searched the VOA sub?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Have you searched the VOA sub?

But more importantly, what is a VOA going to tell the OP that its certifications won’t?

Asking the OP.

 

[lens_-]

Have you searched the VOA sub?

I have, have not found the x-clean gen 2 VOA.

But more importantly, what is a VOA going to tell the OP that its certifications won’t?

Asking the OP.

Just to compare to the X-cess Gen 2 5w40.

 

[chris719]

I have, have not found the x-clean gen 2 VOA.

Just to compare to the X-cess Gen 2 5w40.

SP version I think.

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/14647-motul-8100-x-clean-gen2-5w-40/

I like this oil.

 

[twX]

This oil may be "low-SAPS", but its TBN is pretty healthy at 9.4, compared to the minimum of 6.0 for that ACEA C3 and LL-04 require, and just below the requirement of 10.0 for A3/B4 and LL-01.

It meets the MB 229.52 standard, which has more stringent engine testing requirements than MB 229.5 high-SAPS standard, or any BMW standard for that matter.

I don't see any problem with using it for a the recommended OCI.

 

[chris719]

But more importantly, what is a VOA going to tell the OP that its certifications won’t?

Asking the OP.

So boring relying on approvals. Reading the VOA tea leaves and making pseudo-intellectual arguments based on incomplete data is much more interesting.

 

[svenson]

This oil may be "low-SAPS", but its TBN is pretty healthy at 9.4, compared to the minimum of 6.0 for that ACEA C3 and LL-04 require, and just below the requirement of 10.0 for A3/B4 and LL-01.

It meets the MB 229.52 standard, which has more stringent engine testing requirements than MB 229.5 high-SAPS standard, or any BMW standard for that matter.

I don't see any problem with using it for a the recommended OCI.

actually its mid saps and tbn is not an issue since you guys have low sulphur now.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

So boring relying on approvals. Reading the VOA tea leaves and making pseudo-intellectual arguments based on incomplete data is much more interesting.

Just trying to do our part to discourage window-shopping based on things that will likely result in disappointment.

 

[lens_-]

SP version I think.

https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/14647-motul-8100-x-clean-gen2-5w-40/

I like this oil.

Huge thanks for the data, couldn't find it anywhere but apparently it being in another language is why lol

actually its mid saps and tbn is not an issue since you guys have low sulphur now.

Thats what I figured, I read since 2017, gas sulphur is limited is 10ppm which is low.

This oil may be "low-SAPS", but its TBN is pretty healthy at 9.4, compared to the minimum of 6.0 for that ACEA C3 and LL-04 require, and just below the requirement of 10.0 for A3/B4 and LL-01.

It meets the MB 229.52 standard, which has more stringent engine testing requirements than MB 229.5 high-SAPS standard, or any BMW standard for that matter.

I don't see any problem with using it for a the recommended OCI.

Thanks!

 

[john_pifer]

What’s the composition of the base oil?

 

[chris719]

What’s the composition of the base oil?

VHVI Group III according to the German thread and FTIR.

 

[svenson]

i can still find an SN version in a good price and i am thinking of getting it . the SP version is quite expensive.
2 things holding me back.
high hths.from almost 3.6 to where i am now with xclean + 5-30 to 3.9 with xclean gen 2 will i feel the loss of power , more drag?
and does the loss of porsche c40,in SP version,tell us something important about the oil ?

do we know the noack of this oil? first xclean was 8,5%.

 

[pdx4x4]

Resurrecting this thread. I like to know how this oil compares to Mobil 1 X4 0W-40 to be used in a Sprinter camper van (8000 lb) with OM642 turbo diesel engine. Even though the Motul is made from Group 3 base oils, it looks like the NOACK is lesser 8.6% vs 10% of X4 and usage of less viscosity modifiers in Motul will benefit deposit formation in the intake/turbo.

 

[edyvw]

Resurrecting this thread. I like to know how this oil compares to Mobil 1 X4 0W-40 to be used in a Sprinter camper van (8000 lb) with OM642 turbo diesel engine. Even though the Motul is made from Group 3 base oils, it looks like the NOACK is lesser 8.6% vs 10% of X4 and usage of less viscosity modifiers in Motul will benefit deposit formation in the intake/turbo.

It’s good oil. Probably same additive package from Infineum.

 

[CleanSump]

Resurrecting this thread. I like to know how this oil compares to Mobil 1 X4 0W-40 to be used in a Sprinter camper van (8000 lb) with OM642 turbo diesel engine. Even though the Motul is made from Group 3 base oils, it looks like the NOACK is lesser 8.6% vs 10% of X4 and usage of less viscosity modifiers in Motul will benefit deposit formation in the intake/turbo.

The Motul oil has a very good reputation, but I prefer the Mobil 1. Either would be a personal choice. I like the Group IV/V oils personally. I've used the Mobil 1 ESP for 160k miles in my 18 year old OM642. Spotless inside and running like new. I never tried the Motul due to cost and availability, so can't say good or bad about it.
Check the Mercedes official approval list. Anything 229.52 is good. I couldn't say what is "best".
https://operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com/sheet/229.52

 

[pdx4x4]

The Motul oil has a very good reputation, but I prefer the Mobil 1. Either would be a personal choice. I like the Group IV/V oils personally. I've used the Mobil 1 ESP for 160k miles in my 18 year old OM642. Spotless inside and running like new. I never tried the Motul due to cost and availability, so can't say good or bad about it.
Check the Mercedes official approval list. Anything 229.52 is good. I couldn't say what is "best".
https://operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com/sheet/229.52

Good to know a long lasting OM642. In the sprinter the motor is derated to 190hp, of all the failure modes what worries me the most if the hydrolocking in winter months due to condensation/moisture in the air-cooled intercooler getting sucked into the intake. MB fixed this issue in the Om654 in the newer sprinter models with a water-cooled system. But hasn't cared much for the now retired OM642 motor there are plenty of instances where these engines have thrown a rod unexpectedly. Not an oil related issue though.