Motul 300V compared to Redline???

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I bought another new Ducati superbike but the dealer I used this time seems to really be behind Motul 300V. In my last Ducati and all of my vehicles for that matter, I run Redline.

I really know nothing about the Motul 300V. Is it a group IV or a group V? If it's a group V, how does it really compare to Redline under heavy use?

I'm trying to decide if I should just keep using it, or switch the bike over to Redline. I have my reasons for wanting to use Redline.

Thanks! Alex
 
www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D85O4hNZoZQQ&sa=U&ei=cxcWU_TkNafR2wWwsYDwCQ&ved=0CC4QtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNFndNR3TdjA7WGbLB9ik9K0w5vDug This video from DAaustralia giving redline oil review. Hope this helps
 
The 300v line from motul is fantastic stuff. I used in in my Harley once. But it comes with a fantastic price tag too.
I'd call motul and redline a wash as far as quality is concerned. Buy whichever you can get the best price on.
The red colour is cool too
 
Cyclegear has it for $34 a quart ($17 per liter is how it's bottled). Not bad considering the bike only needs 2 quarts lol. Cheap compared to the gallons of Redline I buy for my cars lol.

Well from what else I can gather, the Motul 300V also meets all of the certification requirements for wet clutches, which the 899 has.

I'm actually thinking in this case, just sticking with the Motul 300V like the dealer uses.
 
Well, Redline is also JASO rated for wet clutches.

The Redline is MA though, not MA2. From my understanding MA2 is the revised version which covers catalytic converters built into the exhaust after 2006, which of course I have.

anyone know if the 300V meets MA2 cert for cats?

EDIT: Nope, the Motul is MA only according to their site.

Hmmm, seems like a total toss up between Motul 300V and Redline...
 
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Originally Posted By: 92GTA
From my understanding MA2 is the revised version which covers catalytic converters built into the exhaust after 2006, which of course I have.

Can you provide source of this info?

To my knowledge, MA2 has nothing to do with catalytic converters. Some time back, the original MA spec was further subdivided into MA1 and MA2, depending on the particular dynamic and static friction index. Basically, MA is an older classification. Depending on the particular friction test results, an oil that was initially classified as MA could now fall into either MA1 or MA2 category.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: 92GTA
From my understanding MA2 is the revised version which covers catalytic converters built into the exhaust after 2006, which of course I have.

Can you provide source of this info?

To my knowledge, MA2 has nothing to do with catalytic converters. Some time back, the original MA spec was further subdivided into MA1 and MA2, depending on the particular dynamic and static friction index. Basically, MA is an older classification. Depending on the particular friction test results, and oil that was initially classified as MA could now fall into either MA1 or MA2 category.


No, I just read it doing an internet search on the Ducati forum but it's not backed up with any links to the certifications to back it so it's as here-say as my post frankly.

Thanks for the info to set things straight!
 
Here are the differences:
JASO_MA.png


So, if you can find out what the DFI, SFI, and STI results are for that Motul oil, you'd be able to determine whether it would meet MA1 or MA2 spec.
 
Awesome! Thank you, I'll start digging deeper into their data sheets for their products to find these numbers. Because without, both oils seem exactly the same on the surface to me anyway.

You know, it's funny, this is the only 300V 15W50 listed on Motul's site:
http://www.motul.com/us/en-US/products/oils-lubricants/300v-factory-line-road-racing-15w50

However my Ducati dealer is using bottles that look like this:
http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/Parts.../p/31404_202049

So I'm still confused which product data sheet I should be looking for lol.
 
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You won't find those parameters in any typical data sheet anyway. You'd have to contact the company directly and hope they're willing to release such data.
 
Thanks. I've already emailed Redline asking and I'm sending the same request to Motul. I will post back the replies I get!

Alex
 
Here is the response from Redline, no specifics though, just a general answer:

"Alex,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the Red Line Motorcycle Oils satisfy the MA1 requirements.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil"
 
The difference that I keep coming back to is Motul 300V is certified as JASO-MA and is on the JASO list, Redline is only recommended for JASO MA1 applications. I wonder if there is any warranty question that I would be denied coverage for using theirs, not that I think it's not on par with Motul 300V.

JASO 4T certified oil list

I'm currently running Motul 300V Factory Line 10W-40 in my V-Strom 650, I should have both a virgin- and used- oil analysis in a month or two. From the 2200 miles I've run with it so far I like it a lot and think it has considerably more mileage potential. I thought most if not all of the other previous fills I used probably couldn't make it to the recommended oil change interval of 3500 miles. They included Rotella T 15W-40, Mobil 1 15W-50 silver cap, and Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 (API SM and SN). So I have a finicky bike, even if Blackstone is saying the UOAs indicate I should be able to get more mileage from the oil, I find that it isn't shifting up to my expectations.
 
I'm running redline right now, if the motul does what you want, Id stick with it. I see nothing special with Redline over say castrol 4t function wise.

Now if you want something at half the price that shifts fairly slick and free wheels real easy with the clutch, try mobil1 HM car oil.

It was too slick for me clutch wise, so it was a one night stand, recommended my another rider who'd used it. I never had any clutch slippage, but I could really feel the added slickness with the amount of freewheel with clutch use while rolling.

I know the car oil mutul v300 has a lot of moly, but Ive not seen the MA type UOA, so I will be interested in seeing it.
 
Originally Posted By: rraiderr
Do oils on the JASO 4T certified oil list mean they are better than oils not on the list?


define "better"
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ha ha ha ha ha
 
Hey GTA, I'm on the Ducati forum albeit a different username. Stayed out of the thread there, but here I'll just say go with the Motul. The Redline has too much moly to trust it with a wet clutch. Something ridiculous like 500ppm or so.

Originally Posted By: 92GTA
I bought another new Ducati superbike but the dealer I used this time seems to really be behind Motul 300V. In my last Ducati and all of my vehicles for that matter, I run Redline.

I really know nothing about the Motul 300V. Is it a group IV or a group V? If it's a group V, how does it really compare to Redline under heavy use?

I'm trying to decide if I should just keep using it, or switch the bike over to Redline. I have my reasons for wanting to use Redline.

Thanks! Alex
 
Really? They say its JASO MA (MA1 specifically) approved for wet clutch and contains 0.05%.

I was just about to order a gallon of the 20W50 Redline too!

What in your opinion, is the % of moly which is wet clutch safe?

Thanks for joining in, more info for me the better!

Alex
 
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