Motorcycles - How dangerous are they?

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You're definitely rolling the bones moreso with a bike than a car. Unless it's an Isetta.
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Are you that old?
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Somehow, I can't see Buster in an Isetta...LOL.


About 1958 a doctor that lived down the street from us had one that looked just like the blue one
http://www.whirlingpool.com/isetta/history/history.htm
about 6 of us picked it up and set it on his front porch.
 
If they didnt already exist ,that is to say if somebody invented them today"hay its got 100 horsepower and two wheels wadaya think?"the safty nazis would never allow them.
 
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buster, save your money and spend it on the supercharged Saturn Sky when it comes out later this year

Good idea!

Thanks for all the opinions. This is exactly what I was looking for. I will definitely pass. I've always felt the same way about bikes. Just too dangerous for what they are worth.
 
Buster,I think bikes are ,say, semi safe,as long as there is NO car around,as aggressive,blind idiots,and to add ignorte car drivers,back in 83 I was smacked up pretty bad when a car hit me,,to make a long painfull story short ,the bike was totaled,,and the car was badly damaged I was busted up ,crippled and could not work over two years,also had a helmet on,thank ***,Its the PEOPLE IN CARS that are the main problem,myself I ride bicyles instead mostly on state paths which have NO CARS,,please be carefull,BL
 
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I was thinking of getting a bike, but wanted some opinions on how dangerous they really are.

I first got into motorcycles in college, because they were much more economical transportation than a car (and being a poor college student, that mattered). And I've continued to keep my motorcycle license active over the years, although these days I only occasionally ride as a sort of "fun activity" to do. IMHO motorcycles are neither as dangerous as many people fear, nor are they nearly as safe as a car (not that you can't get hurt in a car, but it's easier to get hurt on a motorcycle). The truth seems somewhere in the middle.

You have several liabilities with a MC, when it comes to safety. For example, being on only 2 wheels, it is easier to crash if the road is too slippery. And being smaller, many drivers of cars/trucks just fail to see you (and will cut you off, even when you supposedly have "the right of way"). And many of the reflexes that are needed to properly control a motorcycle "in an emergency" are non-obvious (such as needing to briefly turn the handlebars left to make a high speed right turn), so poorly trained motorcycle drivers are a danger to themselves and others! And lets not even talk about how (unlike a car) the vehicle provides you virtually no protection if/when you do crash (but the right protective clothing can offer some protection).

OTOH motorcycles do have one key advantage (over a car) from a safety standpoint. Even a fairly low CC motorcycle is generally more maneuverable (often a lot more maneuverable) than the cars/trucks on the road. And that one advantage of a motorcycle, can go a long way towards making up for the motorcycle's limits from a safety standpoint. But in order to properly take advantage of the maneuverability of a motorcycle (to help "keep you safe"), you have to both know the proper way to drive a motorcycle (a class in motorcycle driving would be a good idea), and you have to be a "defensive driver" (as others have said, assume any other motorist may do something stupid at any time, and plan for it). If you do that, you can use the maneuverability of your motorcycle to "keep you out of trouble". As a motorcycle driving instructor once told me years ago (when I was first learning how to properly drive a motorcycle), "You can accelerate faster than a car, break faster than a car, and turn faster than a car. Now, are you going to use this power to get yourself into trouble, or out of it? The choice is yours..."
 
I was about 20 years old when I hit a retaining wall on a motorcycle traveling in an excess of 70 mph. I left a 39 foot long skid mark. Did suffer some memory loss and got a good head injury from it. But, I still love motorcycles and would get one tomorrow if I had the money.

If you decide to get one start small. Get the proper training. Develope eyes like an hawk. When riding, ride in a large group because you are more easily seen. And one of the most important things is to keep the bike properly maintained. I say the last thing because when I had a factory rep and insurance adjuster present they came to the conclusion that the throttle stuck on the bike. I will not excuse my stupidity for driving reckless and way over the speed limit whatsoever, that one was 100% my fault.
 
Two things make motorcyles dangerous:

1) Your ego
2) Other drivers

Get trained. Check the ego/stupidity at the point where you don your gear, and expect that every driver is out to hit you and you'll be fine.
One thing I don't do is ride at night on weekends. Too dangerous. Too many drunks.

I've been riding now for 33 years, and have had some close calls, but I've managed to make it this far.
LA is **** for riding, but at the same time, it's great here.

Get trained, wear gear, and be smart. Good luck.

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Two things make motorcyles dangerous:

1) Your ego
2) Other drivers

Get trained. Check the ego/stupidity at the point where you don your gear, and expect that every driver is out to hit you and you'll be fine.
One thing I don't do is ride at night on weekends. Too dangerous. Too many drunks.


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For a Mac guy, you are pretty sharp
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Your item #1 makes it possible to deal with item #2. Riders that learn to think of other drivers as road hazards rather than insults to their masculinity live longer and have a pleasanter time riding.

Grease spots, potholes, cops, brain dead cage drivers.... they just add to the challange.
 
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For a Mac guy, you are pretty sharp
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I'll take that as the best I'm gonna get from you!
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Grease spots, potholes, cops, brain dead cage drivers.... they just add to the challange.

Said grease/antifreeze is the only thing that has caused me to go down since riding on the streets. Twice on Mulholland Drive. Both times in a blind corner where spilled fluids took me down.
Thanks to great gear, all I suffered between the two was one slight fracture.
The bikes did not fare as well. But they're replaceable.

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After 25 years of riding in north Jersey, I gave it up because traffic became too intense for it to be any fun. Now that I am in Vermont, where traffic is more sane, the 1974 BMW R90S is back on the road now and then.

If you are a new rider, always be aware of your road surface and the potential for loss of traction. Also, because there is no hood in front of you, newer riders have a tendency to follow cars too closely.

Beyond that, I echo most of what is posted above.
 
I know two people that have been killed hitting deer at night on bikes. Deer are extremely common in this part of the country, I have hit four with various cars in 15 years of driving. I have also lost two friends in non deer related bike accidents.

I would love a bike but most people on the road are simply too stupid for me to take that risk.
 
Don't just go out and buy a bike and start riding. Take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Basic Riders Course, http://www.msf-usa.org/. I completed the course last weekend, I had never ridden a motorcycle and it was worth every penny I spent. You will definitely know by the end of the third day if you really want to ride.
 
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Don't just go out and buy a bike and start riding. Take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Basic Riders Course, http://www.msf-usa.org/. I completed the course last weekend, I had never ridden a motorcycle and it was worth every penny I spent. You will definitely know by the end of the third day if you really want to ride.

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What iontrap said...I just completed and passed the MSF Course in New Hampshire today...the course was pretty intense with a mixture of classroom and riding time. They constantly stressed on how dangerous it can be riding a bike based on the very reasons that a lot of folks have mentioned (other drivers...even more so now with cell phones, etc) The biggest chance of having an accident is in an intersection...you really need to be on your toes on a bike...no daydreaming or thinking of what oil is going next into your sump
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We had one woman quit at lunch yesterday because she decided it was not for her

Anyways I'm almost 42 and never really thought of it as a mid life crisis...more the fact that it is something I've been thinking of doing for a LONG time...

New Hampshire has more riders per capita than any other state. Really a great place to ride.

It is a risk..that cannot be disputed....by taking one of these classes it really opens your eyes to what is involved in rising and how to better your chances for survival


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Here in Massachusetts riding a motorcycle has become quite dangerous.
2004= 40 Fatalities
2005= 70 Fatalities
This appears to be a 75% increase in 1 year! I personally am seeing quite a few more women on THEIR OWN bikes which is new. I do not know how the Fatalities break down or if even more or less are involved in the higher number. I like that a lot of motocyclists have the added 1 or 2 headlights for higher visibility and would add these if I was inclined to ride.
 
I think I saw a report that motorcycle ridership is up almost 40% over last year? Higher gas prices is playing a big part in that equation according to the report. 10 people in my class and 1/2 were women. Only 1 person failed the riding portion of the test and he was the guy with the most experience and already had his own bike(so he said) One advantage of being a "noob" is no bad habits(riding wise)
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I also now understand why a motorcycle rider has his headight in my side mirror and why they ride there..I sure as heck know where he is. While I was taking my class this weekend I must have seen well over a hundered people on bikes going by. When I lived in MA I can't remember ever noticing so many bikes as I do in NH.....no helmet law in NH...yeah right!! Not me after taking this course


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In 1978, '79 I rode a '73 Triumph Tiger 750 every day in New Orleans while going to college. I was in my mid twenties. Went down once on a turn due to oil/dew mixture. Ouch. Other than that, it was wonderful. Eventually sold it to a friend who had the same bike once I became a father. Just a few years later I got on a friend's Norton Commando for a quick spin in the country. Not fun at all. It was like my central nervous system had slowed down by a factor of ten in five years. That was 20 years ago. Now I may even have to trade in my Specialized Allez for a trike with training wheels.
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Life is dangerous.
I'd rather going enjoying life than die of a heart attack in some big-*ss Lay-Z-Boy rocker in front of Jerry Springer.
Use common sense and do all that you can to be as safe as you can and have fun.

Scott
 
People in the insurance industry refer to them as "Donor Cycles". (As in donating your organs after you die on one.)
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I too rode as a youngster and was lucky enough to survive and grow up. As has been stated, it's not the cycles that are inherently dangerous, it's the mix with cars on the roads.

Yes, a small sports convertible with 4 wheels is just as much fun, and lots safer.....
 
From 9th grade I have been on motorcycles, had my share of accidents but at 41 I still ride and even though I have only ridden sports and race bikes, I have matured enough to know how to survive on the roads, point is, you can die in a motorcycle or a car, many a times the superior braking of my race ready Yamaha FZR or Honda RC have saved me from imminent death which I truly doubt my car would have been able to.
 
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