Mortgage payoff experiences

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Paying off the mortgage is worthwhile. The folly of keeping one for the tax advantages is silly, and a 30c on the dollar return.

However, you mention that you dont make a ton of money, so this may need to come into consideration. I take it that youre sitting on a decent amount of money, but Id want to be sure that you have a proper emergency fund and have funded other things that you need to.

Because youre young, having a paid for mortgage is very powerful. Were almost there too - cant wait... But, the long term compounding of things like retirement savings is also very powerful, and arguably more important... So if youre reducing retirement savings, compromising your emergency fund, etc., the mortgage is the best debt to hold on to - not depreciating like a car, some tax advantage (especially in the early years), etc.

Good luck!
 
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
No reason not to borrow against 401K for college.


Umm....no.

401k should be left alone to grow for retirement. You repay said loan with post-tax money so the pre-tax advantage is gone. And what happens if your job leaves you before you repay the loan? Here's one possibility that happened to a former coworker when the company we worked for outsourced us to a big blue I/T firm: in the old company's eyes, the loan she took to build her house was due on our last day and if she didn't pay, they would be reporting the outstanding balance to the IRS as an early withdrawal and then subject her to taxes and penalties. Fortunately she was able to work out something with the new employer where they repaid the loan and she now owed them the money, but had they not agreed to do so, she'd have been in a world of financial hurt.

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When I retire in 3.5 years, I'm paying off my mortgage with my TSP (which is the government's version of a 401K). I'm also going to use part of my TSP to completely renovate the home. It was built in 1985 and has been pretty much neglected since we moved in in '04. Since I'm only there on the weekends, I don't have time to keep up on everything and it needs a lot of work...new bathrooms, new kitchen cabinets, new carpet throughout, new roofing...it's probably going to cost us $40K to do everything we want done, but then we'll have the house the way we want it, and it will be paid for.
 
Thanks for all of the replies so far.

Just to reiterate, I'm not draining my emergency fund or holding back my retirement funds to do this. This is inspired by the fact that we are conservative in our spending and after paying all of the bills and funding our futures, we are ending up with larger checking accounts than I am comfortable with.

To be honest, I've pretty much already convinced myself that I'm going to do this. We could speculate using opinions forever, and never come to a conclusion. I've thought about most (but not all - thanks) of the consequences you guys have mentioned. I guess I'm looking for someone to prove me wrong - the people who can tell me "I paid my house off early, but shouldn't have done it!". Firsthand accounts of mortgage payoff regrets.

It's been comforting that I can't find any.
 
Pay off the mortgage. If you don't like having a paid for house, you can always take out a home equity loan and deposit that money back into your savings account.

A general rule of thumb is to NEVER incur an expense for the sake of a tax deduction. This includes interest.
 
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Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
No reason not to borrow against 401K for college.


This is an absolutely terrible idea. You need to pay that back in a certain period of time or else you'll end up getting robbed in taxes and fees.

You're also robbing yourself of future earnings by doing this. Again, worst advice ever seen on this forum.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
529 plans are also another option for saving for college.


This is the intelligent way to save for a kid's college expenses.
 
Originally Posted By: jaj
Here's how I experienced that phase of my life: get your fixed monthly cash outflow as low as you can (pay off the mortgage) and then invest in your family before you invest in stocks and bonds. Set up education funds for your kids, but don't stop there. You and/or your wife will benefit from additional education. Sign up for the next level of post-secondary degree, whatever that might be. Added education is an investment that can generate a whole new level of income for the rest of your life.


This depends entirely on the field in which you're employed. Throwing money away just to take classes with no return on your investment is awful advice. Most people would not see any additional pay increases by taking extra classes, but they'd blindly go into debt for it. This is why the USA has such a massive student loan crisis right now.

You're better off with certifications and continuing professional education courses to stay current in your field of work, rather than overpaying for college courses that aren't even needed.
 
Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
This depends entirely on the field in which you're employed. Throwing money away just to take classes with no return on your investment is awful advice. Most people would not see any additional pay increases by taking extra classes, but they'd blindly go into debt for it. This is why the USA has such a massive student loan crisis right now.

You're better off with certifications and continuing professional education courses to stay current in your field of work, rather than overpaying for college courses that aren't even needed.


I couldn't agree more - choose your field of endeavor carefully and invest strategically. For instance, as the OP said, his wife is a high school teacher, and where I live, a teacher with a Masters degree earns more than a teacher with a Bachelors. Once earned, the higher pay scale stays until they retire.
 
As someone with a paid-off house and the sled bought with cash, I can attest to the benefits. I'm quite conservative when it comes to spending money. Always have been though. I have no downsides to your point.

I will add that at your age, it will pay off over the long-term to learn to do all of the home/car/stuff maintainence you have time for. My indy mechanic is now over $100/hr. Need a plumber or electrician? The same. Get your house painted? Roof replaced? New windows? New insulation? Fix the dishwasher, clothes washer, etc?

I didn't grow up doing any of this as my old man payed someone else to do it. However, I've always had a keen interest and an unsatiatable curiosity about all sorts of things, including turning my own wrench, holding my own paintbrush, etc. I sought out and learned the best way possible. By doing so I've greatly elevated my own skills to a very high level. IOW, I've really invested in myself. I didn't spend the money for some institution, which is at an insane level these days.

By taking care of as much of the "reachable" things that come up in ownership as you can, you can save a LOT of money over the years AND you educate yourself as well.

I now have neighbors pay me to fix these same things for them because they know I'll do it right, give them honest advice and not rip them off.

Even if you don't have time to do all of it, by educating yourself on the pertinent details, you can protect yourself and your family from getting ripped off on the repairs. By asking the right questions beforehand, you'll be seen as someone who has done their homework rather than the fool.

Life's hard enough as is. It's even harder when you're stupid.

It's tough to put a dollar amount to the money I've saved over 30+ years of home ownership and education. All self-taught. This eduction will also work well in your favor when looking at houses. Do your own inspection. When you're told about the nice new granite countertops, you'll want to inspect the roof, the water heater, look for previous signs of water intrusion and check out the attic and basement...with a camera in hand. You'll also have a hand on what's involved fixing these things and just how well that "fresh coat of paint" is hiding something underneath.

You can also educate your kids and spend time with them as they grow up. I once knew a guy who made his girls help him fix appliances when they broke. When they'd ask "WHY?" he'd reply "How long would you like to wash dishes by hand? Wash your clothes in the bathtub?" He also taught them about cars as part of the deal to them using them. Change a tire, check the oil, wash the car inside & out. They learned by doing and educated themselves on something never taught in school.

Sounds like you're off to a good start!
 
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
As someone with a paid-off house and the sled bought with cash, I can attest to the benefits. I'm quite conservative when it comes to spending money. Always have been though. I have no downsides to your point.

I will add that at your age, it will pay off over the long-term to learn to do all of the home/car/stuff maintainence you have time for. My indy mechanic is now over $100/hr. Need a plumber or electrician? The same. Get your house painted? Roof replaced? New windows? New insulation? Fix the dishwasher, clothes washer, etc?

I didn't grow up doing any of this as my old man payed someone else to do it. However, I've always had a keen interest and an unsatiatable curiosity about all sorts of things, including turning my own wrench, holding my own paintbrush, etc. I sought out and learned the best way possible. By doing so I've greatly elevated my own skills to a very high level. IOW, I've really invested in myself. I didn't spend the money for some institution, which is at an insane level these days.

By taking care of as much of the "reachable" things that come up in ownership as you can, you can save a LOT of money over the years AND you educate yourself as well.

I now have neighbors pay me to fix these same things for them because they know I'll do it right, give them honest advice and not rip them off.

Even if you don't have time to do all of it, by educating yourself on the pertinent details, you can protect yourself and your family from getting ripped off on the repairs. By asking the right questions beforehand, you'll be seen as someone who has done their homework rather than the fool.

Life's hard enough as is. It's even harder when you're stupid.

It's tough to put a dollar amount to the money I've saved over 30+ years of home ownership and education. All self-taught. This eduction will also work well in your favor when looking at houses. Do your own inspection. When you're told about the nice new granite countertops, you'll want to inspect the roof, the water heater, look for previous signs of water intrusion and check out the attic and basement...with a camera in hand. You'll also have a hand on what's involved fixing these things and just how well that "fresh coat of paint" is hiding something underneath.

You can also educate your kids and spend time with them as they grow up. I once knew a guy who made his girls help him fix appliances when they broke. When they'd ask "WHY?" he'd reply "How long would you like to wash dishes by hand? Wash your clothes in the bathtub?" He also taught them about cars as part of the deal to them using them. Change a tire, check the oil, wash the car inside & out. They learned by doing and educated themselves on something never taught in school.

Sounds like you're off to a good start!


I'm VERY familiar with this, and I agree.

I have had the luxury of growing up under a jack of all trades for a father. Yeah, there are many of them out there who can 'get the job done', but he truly is a talented individual in all respects. Just a natural
That said, growing up, I soaked up a lot through his projects: when I was young, the family was on one income, forcing him to buy a less than stellar condition ranch home. I watched as he fixed it up over the years, adding an attached garage, steel siding, roof, trim, windows, doors, installing furnace and AC, landscaping, renovating this, fixing that. All top notch work that even gets admired by professionals!

Cars? I grew up working on mostly FWD Cadillacs - then moved on to everything else later. Everything else seems easy after that!

And while I don't believe I'll ever attain his proficiency at...well, everything, what I've picked up has already helped dramatically. When I bought my house, it was about 15 years old - which apparently is a ripe age for appliance failure because 3 years in and I've repaired many of them - furnace, AC unit, dishwasher and washing machine. I had to replace a window, repair some flashing around the garage door and roof. I've completed many electrical updates throughout the house Right now, I'm in the process of stick building a 10x12 shed on a monolithic slab w/curb I poured last year. All pretty minor projects, but it all adds up. I've yet had the need to call a 3rd party into my home. As you, I've already saved thousands and anticipate saving more as the years go by and continue to learn. As dad always said in reference to contractors: "They don't look any smarter than us!"

Now, that said, I realize that none of this will make me rich. Frankly, the financial benefits aren't even the motivation for the DIY projects - it's the fact that I really don't trust anyone else to complete them to my standards. I HATE when I redo sloppy work that I've paid for. For them, time is money. For me, I just want it done right the first time.

Originally Posted By: jaj
Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
This depends entirely on the field in which you're employed. Throwing money away just to take classes with no return on your investment is awful advice. Most people would not see any additional pay increases by taking extra classes, but they'd blindly go into debt for it. This is why the USA has such a massive student loan crisis right now.

You're better off with certifications and continuing professional education courses to stay current in your field of work, rather than overpaying for college courses that aren't even needed.


I couldn't agree more - choose your field of endeavor carefully and invest strategically. For instance, as the OP said, his wife is a high school teacher, and where I live, a teacher with a Masters degree earns more than a teacher with a Bachelors. Once earned, the higher pay scale stays until they retire.


Yeah, here as well. She completed her Master's degree about 5 years ago. Extra certs as well, as she specializes in special ed. Sadly, while it certainly helps, it's a disgrace that such a high level of education in such an important field doesn't net more compensation. Teaching must be a labor of love - certainly can't be about the money!
 
I paid off my house about 5 years before I retired, it was the only debt I had. It is also the ONLY investment guaranteed to save (make) you money. If paying it off in entirety does not use all your savings, and you will have a comfortable cushion, than I say go for it. Otherwise pay a chunk of it, then do that again when the savings gets up there again. I recommend not telling anyone you paid it off, especially at your age. Neighbors get mad, friends and family suddenly want to "borrow money" because they perceive you are rolling in it. But it is a great feeling paying it off for sure, and if you think you are saving money now...just wait until the house payment stops.
 
Originally Posted By: emmett442
Thanks for all of the replies so far.

Just to reiterate, I'm not draining my emergency fund or holding back my retirement funds to do this. This is inspired by the fact that we are conservative in our spending and after paying all of the bills and funding our futures, we are ending up with larger checking accounts than I am comfortable with.

To be honest, I've pretty much already convinced myself that I'm going to do this. We could speculate using opinions forever, and never come to a conclusion. I've thought about most (but not all - thanks) of the consequences you guys have mentioned. I guess I'm looking for someone to prove me wrong - the people who can tell me "I paid my house off early, but shouldn't have done it!". Firsthand accounts of mortgage payoff regrets.

It's been comforting that I can't find any.



Your logic is somewhat faulty. Either they did it or didn't. I have several other mortgages and I haven't paid them off although I could, they're investment properties too so the rate is higher. The stock market has been going crazy the last 5 years, 14% return in the last 5 in an index fund like the S&P 500. About 75% of the fund managers out there can't be the S&P 500 and for the ones that do, they can't do it year in and year out. Just to let you know, I'm glad I didn't pay off those mortgages and stay invested in the market. Made way way more in the market than paying off the mortgages would have yielded. That's why I took some of the money out and bought the Mercedes. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner, the car is a blast to drive.
 
Paying off your house is like gaining at least half of an income stream.
You are then free to pursue other financial goals.
The interest you're not paying is a guaranteed return.
Today is also a little like 2007 in terms of equity investment.
A recession is on its way IMHO, so this is exactly the wrong time to buy anything relying upon the equities market.
Why buy into an equities market heavily bid up by years of low interest rates?
Money flocks to returns and returns haven't been found in debt for some years.
 
Either way, the OP is on the right track for a secure future.

Too many people don't plan and then worry about college expenses and retirement.
 
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
First of all great job with your finances! Secondly it is always better to pay off the primary residence first. Here's how to confirm the decision... If you owned the house outright, would you take out a mortgage to play stocks etc. No one has told me yes yet.


Bingo!
 
I got a 30 yr fixed mortgage on my house in 2003. Refinanced in 2006 to a lower interest rate and a 15 yr term, this pretty much kept the monthly the same as our initial term payments. Around that same time we added an extra $200 principal payment per month after we paid off a vehicle. For the last three years, I make an extra $5000.00 in principal payment at the end of the year. In 18 months, the house will be paid off.

We're pretty much the same as you with our money. There is a "one year" slush fund earning 1% at an online savings bank, a 401k and a range of investments. One child in elementary school and one in pre-school. The interest savings on taxes is nice, but like you, it will be nice to have that monthly payment go into my investments rather than the house in 18 months.

I'd recommend investing 75% of your savings that are earmarked for paying off the house and then add additional principal to pay off the mortgage sooner. You'll reap higher rewards with the investments (noted earlier, typically a 7% yearly return).
 
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I paid off my house early 4 years ago at age 46. I just became eligible to retire from my job and it feels good to not have a mortgage. I have a federal job so I have a pension in addition to my TSP to which I contribute 17% and they match the first 5%. While I'm not rich and never will be, I should be able to live comfortably in retirement.

I would definitely pay off your mortgage as soon as possible. From the sounds of it, you are way ahead of the game compared to most people.
 
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