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@OVERKILL I am sure my father, a Yale Unversity grad, never once used Cruise Control in his life.
And the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree; I have zero interest in CC.
My dad was an astrophysicist from Cornell and I only saw him use CC once (at 70) and I could see it scared him. I almost never use it myself as I want to maintain focus on the job of driving.
 
Very little, actually. I prefer to drive. Car is way too much fun.
Me too ... I've been driving manual transmission sports cars since 1988. All started with my first car in 1973 that was a manual. Had a few automatics between then and 1988.
 
Me too ... I've been driving manual transmission sports cars since 1988. All started with my first car in 1973 that was a manual. Had a few automatics between then and 1988.
My manuals have all had cruise control, lol. The M5 and 5.0L were awesome, as they could pull pretty much any hill at speed without a downshift.
 
They are already on that path. All the assisted driving nannies are making people become more and more disconnected from actually using their brain to drive, and instead focus on other things (like phone usage while "driving") because they are slowly putting more and more "trust" in the car to do the "driving". Even car commercials reflect this aspect.

It's sad, but very true. It's the, "future". How many kids today know their multiplication tables? Our generation couldn't graduate beyond the 6th grade without knowing them. Today they're all calculator dependent. The battery goes dead, and they can't multiply without a piece of paper and a pencil. Even then it's questionable.

Now we have kids that can't give correct change. Unless the register they're working on tells them what to give back, after they tender an amount taken in. How many people under the age of 30 know how to use a card catalog in a library? Now it's all computers. More efficient? No doubt. But that's not the real issue. These "outdated" devices and methods taught young people how to think. Now the computer does it all for them.

Look at cars. Is automatic parallel parking, anti lock brakes, collision avoidance systems, radar assisted cruise controls, lane departure warning systems, and hands off driving making better drivers? Doubtful.

Same with aviation. Astro can chime in here. Is the non stop advancement in automation, with auto landing systems, auto throttles, and even things like "Magic Carpet" in Naval aviation, making better stick and rudder pilots? Doubtful as well.

Today drivers and pilots are becoming more or less observers and system monitors. We have computers to do these things for us. Things that took a lot of skill to learn. The problem is today the computer thinks and does for us, so we don't have to. When you don't use your brain, along with the hand eye motor skills that go along with it, you slowly start losing them.
 
It seems we agree on numerous points. Human error, sometimes with malice, is the #1 cause of accidents by far. Statistics certainly bear this out.

You point about older drivers and modern cars is underscored in my experience. I love to let others take a spin in our Model 3, primarily those who have never driven one. Younger people immeadiately and intuitively take to the car's interface, one pedal driving, etc while older persons oftentimes hate it; almost cannot wait to get out of the driver's seat.
Thing is the younger/enthusiastic crowd will tend to rely on technology instead of developing solid/basic instinct to get through life too! For example, my kids are in their later 20s and back in school they had laptops issued for the school year. Instead of having to thumb through a dictionary like I did to find word spellings, descriptions, etc. they simply Googled everything singularly and missed so much along the way. Sure technology is promising, but jeopardizes lots along the way. I still appreciate what I can get done with my phone, having GPS, etc., but still have honed being able to get through any situation without those if need be. Hell for 3.5 yrs now I've had to really rely on my phone for speech-text communication after suddenly losing all hearing. Thing is while I seriously appreciate what a modern phone can do it still is far from 100% effective/efficient and I still have to use lip reading, etc. often to keep things on track. Look at most people these days when their phone dies or they lose GPS signal... lmao as it's catastrophic if they have to think for themselves. I think the only reason AI is being pushed more is mainly due to lazy human interaction.
 
The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that somewhere between 94% and 96% of all motor vehicle accidents are caused by some type of human error.

Bettering human behavior seems a pretty low bar to beat...

Computers produce consistant, predictable results. People? Not so much.
@P10crew posted a pic of a tailgater, which is a dangerous situation. Our Model 3 has a setting on how many car lengths to follow.
I'll gladly take those odds, rely on my ability, and ditch the Tesla and their AI.
 
They teach multiplication earlier now in school than when I was taught. Yes we can find a clerk who is slow at making change or can't even do it. How many? Not many, I've seen only a few. I see young people way ahead in math and science, in this overly competitive world.
Anyway, how many are using cash and making change with coins these days anyhow? I never have change in my pocket these days. It's sort of like you have to ask a kid how to use your cell phone and they ask you what those little round money things are.
So they like the Teslas and all the automation, trying to stay a little bit on topic.
 
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So they like the Teslas and all the automation, trying to stay a little bit on topic.
My guess is, they grew up with computers, tablets and computer games. Using a techie car comes naturally. And since they have been "connected" their entire lives via the Internet, "Big Brother" is not an issue like many people over 60.
They take to the tablet interface like nothing; I still struggle with it. Of course, voice commands make things pretty easy, so there's that.
 
You point about older drivers and modern cars is underscored in my experience. I love to let others take a spin in our Model 3, primarily those who have never driven one. Younger people immediately and intuitively take to the car's interface, one pedal driving, etc while older persons oftentimes hate it; almost cannot wait to get out of the driver's seat.
I think it depends on the person.

I've been driving over 50 years and bought a Tesla after a bit of reading and one short test drive. I really like fully manual cars but I also like one pedal driving with the Tesla. In fact I liked it instantly.

I have 2 even older friends lined up to test drive my Tesla. One friend's big reservation is that my base model doesn't parallel park by itself (I think it would with the self driving package but that adds a lot of expense).

My biggest reservation was over using a cell phone as the key. I don't have one (my wife does and I use hers when I need one) and I don't want one either. But the Tesla key card works perfectly well. Yes it's probably more convenient and I know you can do more with a cell phone and Tesla app, but I don't need that.

And as for drivers being terrible, it's true. But they have always been terrible. My father's generation had no driver's training at all and got their driver's license by filling out a form. We had people driving around in my small town who never went over 20 MPH. I don't think they knew how.

I'm told that in some countries the driver's test consists of one point - "Please start the car. All right then, you've passed." And when you immigrate to Canada you can turn in that license for a real one. You can even truthfully say you had a driver's test and give the date of the exam.
 
My guess is, they grew up with computers, tablets and computer games. Using a techie car comes naturally. And since they have been "connected" their entire lives via the Internet, "Big Brother" is not an issue like many people over 60.
They take to the tablet interface like nothing; I still struggle with it. Of course, voice commands make things pretty easy, so there's that.
Show a kid an analog clock and ask them what time it shows, lol.
 
Show a kid an analog clock and ask them what time it shows, lol.
The question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
I know it sounds weird, but that may be an ability that is losing its value; run its course.
Same with cursive handwriting.

Everything changes, everything has a lifecycle.
 
The question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
I know it sounds weird, but that may be an ability that is losing its value; run its course.
Same with cursive handwriting.

Everything changes, everything has a lifecycle.
Ask a kid, or even adults on why time is divided into 24 hrs a day 60 min/hr and 60 sec/min. Not many can tell you why. Things like a clock and a calender have a reason they are as they are - ie, based on the most basic things related to how the Earth rotates on it's axis and revolves around the sun. Understanding the physics of all that helps tie into the understanding of what an analog clock represents and how to read it. Not sure how flat Earthers tie it all together though, lol.



If you go to YouTube, there are tons of videos on how young kids are taught how to read an analog clock.
 
Same with cursive handwriting.
So how are you going to sign a document if you can't write in cursive? Yeah I know "electronically signed". But I suspect some real documents will want pen on paper. My great-grandfather who was a mail carrier in southern Saskatchewan (starting before it was Saskatchewan) signed his name with an X. But I think he could read.

Anyway we've taught our 9 year old grandson to "sign his name". And he does so quite proudly on birthday cards and such.

I don't think our 7 year old grand-daughter does though. It's coming.
 
Writing in cursive is much quicker (and cooler) than writing one letter at a time in block text.
 
The question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
I know it sounds weird, but that may be an ability that is losing its value; run its course.
Same with cursive handwriting.

Everything changes, everything has a lifecycle.
Has the "lifecycle" for geography "run it's course" as well? Stupidity is alive and well in our nations public schools. They can't give change. They don't know what time it is. Give them a map or a globe, and they don't have a clue where they are, or even what hemisphere they are in.....

But they think they "deserve" $18.00 an hour to flip burgers.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/1...t,two geography organizations reported today.
 
It's a real big issue since his Muskiness thought that removing radar was fine since it "Wasn't necessary." I think he needs to keep his mouth shut and let engineers actually work. It's a bummer that so many nut jobs went out and purchased the junk they sell.
 
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