More on Why DHS Ammo Buying

[Trajan]

The boring truth is that DHS expends about 15 million rounds per year.

The boring truth is that making requests to buy rounds in such numbers is over a five year period.

The boring truth is that it's known as strategic sourcing contracts, allowing them to get better pricing.

The boring truth is that DHS, allotted 750,000,000 rounds, bought over five years, usese them to train all the fed law enforcement agencies under their umbrella.

The boring truth is that the remainder are used by the ICE.

The boring truth is that 1.6 billion rounds over a five year period isn't all that much.

 

[DB_Cooper]

 

[Win]

1.6B rounds sounds like an enormous number to me.

And there are far too many government employees walking around with guns.

 

[Barkleymut]

"The boring truth is that 1.6 billion rounds over a five year period isn't all that much"

compared to the national debt 1.6 billion is a small number

As far as strategic pricing....I really doubt you get much of a discount over a certain # of rounds. And I would venture to guess that number is WAY below 1 billion. And what would the quantity discount be? Maybe 1-2%? We are paying over that to the Chinese for the priviledge to use that money.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
The boring truth is that DHS expends about 15 million rounds per year.

The boring truth is that making requests to buy rounds in such numbers is over a five year period.

The boring truth is that it's known as strategic sourcing contracts, allowing them to get better pricing.

The boring truth is that DHS, allotted 750,000,000 rounds, bought over five years, usese them to train all the fed law enforcement agencies under their umbrella.

The boring truth is that the remainder are used by the ICE.

The boring truth is that 1.6 billion rounds over a five year period isn't all that much.


So, if they use 15 million per year, they've bought 1,000 years worth for themselves.

If they're the buying agent for other parts of the government, for 150 million/year (your numbers) - then they bought 10 years' worth of consumption.

No other part of the Federal Government has that kind of stockpile. DOD doesn't have that kind of stockpile/depth...why does DHS need it?

"Strategic Sourcing"? Never heard of it prior to this...DOD doesn't get to buy 10 years worth of supplies/ammo/consumables in 1 year...why does DHS?

Still waiting on a reasonable explanation.

 

[SrDriver]

The Ammo situation reminds me of toilet paper back in 1973 - government contracting to buy it.
Link To Toilet Paper Shortage Article

Stories starting appearing about ammo shortages - government buying huge amounts of ammo, etc. People started buying guns and ammo like there was no tomorrow and hording it. Many buying all they could find even though they really did not need it or own weapons that required that caliber.

Shortages started and prices headed upward. People kept buying adding fuel to the fire.

Sooner or later it will reach a saturation point. Manufactures are increasing production.

Even with government purchases we are only talking certain caliber ammunition.

Sooner or later this will be resolved kind of like the toilet paper shortage.

 

[DB_Cooper]

The Las Vegas ammo vendor concerned is Evian Group, Inc., to whom DHS awarded an ammunition-procurement contract on Jan. 2. However, Evian was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation in December. As others have documented, Evian Group seems to be little more than a front organization and doesn’t appear to have any real business assets, a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.

The address provided to DHS and the Secretary of State is 105 S Eastern Avenue. Let’s use Google, to take a look what’s there:

What you see is the street corner of East Fremont Street and the intersection of North Eastern Avenue and South Eastern Avenue. On the opposite side of the street is an ARCO gas station.

Does anyone see a business capable of providing 200,000 rounds of jacketed hollow point rounds to the Federal Government? There’s not even a MailBoxes Etc to accept mail! 105 S Eastern Avenue looks like the parking lot for a bodega.

The listed principals, Grace Hodge and Larayne Whitehead, are director and president respectively. Nowhere can they be found attached to Evian Group, Inc, which is unusual, as the whole purpose of running a business is to create a steady stream of revenue. They cannot be found on LinkedIn, where people network to get more business, or even in Google as a website. Eviangroup.com is parked by GoDaddy.com for a future site, and Bravenet is hosting Eviangroup.net.

Looks like Larayne Whitehead is CEO of Global Synergy Group, Inc. which was incorporated in NC.

And according to Manta they are in the munitions biz, although without registering they won't say when but '"Global Synergy Group, Inc in Matthews, NC is a private company categorized under Small Arms Ammunition. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in North Carolina."

But here's the really interesting part, prior to that it was in, "Medical supplies, automobile rims, tires, private label accessories, wipers, Cell Phones." Its main market was Eastern Europe and its annual sales were between $3.5 and $5 million.

Ha, ha, ha. Just your average American small businessman/woman.

 

[DB_Cooper]

Interesting to note that *evian* spelled backwards is *naive*

 

[SuperDave456]

All I know is that we as Americans are hosed.

The more I read the more I am scared.
This includes all the major networks. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, down to the little guys like SlashDot (news for nerds and stuff that matters).

Bottom line, times are desperate and people are scared.
When I say People, that includes those folks in the Ruling Class of our beloved country.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: Astro14

Still waiting on a reasonable explanation.


I think what you're waiting for is a reasonable explaination that you'll accept.

 

[zerosoma]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
We need to ask first how many rounds a typical police force or agency has historically bought. It may be just more open access to data.

Many on here say to train with the round youre going to use to protect yourself - is DHS or any other agency exempt from that?

Some on here shoot thousands of rounds a year. If that is mndated for DHS or whatever other agency has a LE or armed contingent, why should it be different?


Right, but DHS does not usually practice with JHP rounds. In 90% of training FMJ rounds are used. Something stinks here.

 

[zerosoma]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

And how does not doing so set one up to be a victim?

Originally Posted By: Barkleymut

Some 1930's European history should be in your future.


This.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
"Strategic Sourcing"? Never heard of it prior to this...DOD doesn't get to buy 10 years worth of supplies/ammo/consumables in 1 year...why does DHS?

Still waiting on a reasonable explanation.


Having spent 20 years arguing with beancounters, stockpiling can't be justified on a financial basis.

Particularly for Govt departments, hedging (speculating) is out, and the cost of inventory is apparently about 10% p.a. Then there's logistics, distribution, First in First out management of inventory that has ageing and expiry dates etc.

Even continuous use items, that we know we'll be using, unchanged for the life of the business are annual purchase orders, monthly deliveries.

US army orders their training ammo 3 months out...

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: DB_Cooper
Interesting to note that *evian* spelled backwards is *naive*


Clever aren't they.

Stinky for sure, no way they need MRAPS, all that ammo, etc. They're gearing up for civil unrest...

 

[whip]

Maybe I'm confused, but it looks like they only signed a contract to lock in the price. They haven't actually bought all of the ammo.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: whip
Maybe I'm confused, but it looks like they only signed a contract to lock in the price. They haven't actually bought all of the ammo.

BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

STOCKPILING AND CIVIL UNREST AND STUFF

ALSO GOVERNMENT IS BAD

Mmmkay?

 

[whip]

That reminds me. If Mr Makey was in charge, none of this would be happening.

 

[surfstar]

I'm pretty sure Obama must have a family business that produces ammo and AR-15s. I think that explanation makes more sense than some of the others up thread.

 

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted By: whip
Maybe I'm confused, but it looks like they only signed a contract to lock in the price. They haven't actually bought all of the ammo.


They will pay for and the "ammo" will delivered at some future date..and when the ammo doesn't show up..the many brand new shell phony corporations with no real addresses holds responsibility. Good luck getting the money back.

How else do you pass out 430 million dollars to make political pay-offs to your friends and at the same time dry up the stores of consumer ammo (hoarding-you cannot find .22 ammo now and the Feds never ordered any)?

 

[mechtech2]

Originally Posted By: DB_Cooper
The Las Vegas ammo vendor concerned is Evian Group, Inc., to whom DHS awarded an ammunition-procurement contract on Jan. 2. However, Evian was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation in December. As others have documented, Evian Group seems to be little more than a front organization and doesn’t appear to have any real business assets, a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.

The address provided to DHS and the Secretary of State is 105 S Eastern Avenue. Let’s use Google, to take a look what’s there:

What you see is the street corner of East Fremont Street and the intersection of North Eastern Avenue and South Eastern Avenue. On the opposite side of the street is an ARCO gas station.

Does anyone see a business capable of providing 200,000 rounds of jacketed hollow point rounds to the Federal Government? There’s not even a MailBoxes Etc to accept mail! 105 S Eastern Avenue looks like the parking lot for a bodega.

The listed principals, Grace Hodge and Larayne Whitehead, are director and president respectively. Nowhere can they be found attached to Evian Group, Inc, which is unusual, as the whole purpose of running a business is to create a steady stream of revenue. They cannot be found on LinkedIn, where people network to get more business, or even in Google as a website. Eviangroup.com is parked by GoDaddy.com for a future site, and Bravenet is hosting Eviangroup.net.

Looks like Larayne Whitehead is CEO of Global Synergy Group, Inc. which was incorporated in NC.

And according to Manta they are in the munitions biz, although without registering they won't say when but '"Global Synergy Group, Inc in Matthews, NC is a private company categorized under Small Arms Ammunition. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in North Carolina."

But here's the really interesting part, prior to that it was in, "Medical supplies, automobile rims, tires, private label accessories, wipers, Cell Phones." Its main market was Eastern Europe and its annual sales were between $3.5 and $5 million.

Ha, ha, ha. Just your average American small businessman/woman.


WOW!!
Sounds like 544 Camp St, new Orleans!