More Honda heartburn.

[Hall]

Dealer attitude was “This is a Honda, and Honda’s don’t give problems”.

I'm still a Honda fan but I would have asked that dealer's rep "do you have a service department or parts department?".

 

[edyvw]

When it comes to bolt quality the Euro cars (not the Fiat, rusty sh.. boxes) are superior in every way, they use a lot of high strength fasteners even in low stress applications with a much better plating. I find it is less likely to break a bolt due to rust even on the old timers.

That is correct. Both my VW and BMW which weigh some 1100lbs less then Pilot my FIL left with me or Sienna I had, have larger bolts, suspension components etc. And rust protection is not comparable in any way.

 

[edyvw]

Second that with paint. Absolutely the worst. That and the super uncomfortable seats and driving position.

Second this.
Honda Pilot is probably one of the most uncomfortable cars I ever had opportunity to drive. Short seats, that wide console that prevents me to rest my leg properly. Ridiculously short seat movement.

 

[gregk24]

Honda is not exactly known for having the best paint quality in general and even worse when its white.

True. I love my Honda but the paint quality is less than average.

 

[gregk24]

I love my 02 accord because it’s so easy to work on and I’m pretty impressed with the build quality but i got it used and the automatic that was in it was not the original. Then i recently put another transmission in it. That means it’s on transmission #3 at least.

Yes, those are well known to have bad transmissions. You are lucky to get 100K on a transmission.

 

[Hall]

Yes, those are well known to have bad transmissions. You are lucky to get 100K on a transmission.

Sold mine with 230k miles and the original transmission

 

[nthach]

As soon as Honda strayed away from their “we make it simple” ethos, and tried completing against the Joneses - they started to slip. They really wanted a slice of the American pie Toyota was handily having seconds with. Peak Honda was the 1990s, the Fit was the spiritual successor to those days. They had too many flops(1st gen Passport, selling the JDM Odyssey against the Chrysler vans and even the Previa/Quest and the Insight finding its match against the superior Prius) but managed to find their groove with the Accord and Civic which IMO, was the poor man’s BMW. Not just the trans issues with the late 1990s to mid-2000s Accord/Odyssey/Pilot but the CR-V/Civic 1.5T oil dilution and ZF bugs(though I would trust the Honda 9HP deployment over the Nissan version).

Honda doesn’t own their supply chain to the same degree as Toyota(Aisin, Denso, Advics) or enjoy legacy(Ford with Visteon, GM with Aptiv and now Borg-Warner since Delphi purchase, and BMW/VW/Mercedes with Bosch and Conti). All of Honda’s former conglomerate mates(Keihin, Showa, Nissin) are now Hitachi and they have been in bed with the European suppliers(more so Conti, but also Valeo and Bosch). I can’t blame Honda for wanting be progressive and “bold” against stodgy Toyota - being the first to electrify and downsize but it’s come back to bite them.

 

[CourierDriver]

Automakers aren't going to give you that option.

I think you are looking for my 67 VW Beetle, about 56 hp, no air, but simple machine,,,Im still looking for my 67vw..

 

[miden851]

Seems as though you don't understand it or how/why it works. If you drive "perfectly", you will NEVER know it exists in the car.


I've wondered about these safety features and have thought that Honda and other automakers may simply buy the technology from companies like Bosch, MobileEye, etc vs each automaker developing it in-house. I can see both sides though.... Does the supplier keep (full) responsibility vs every automaker having to develop these systems from scratch.

mine is made by Bosch but Im thinking Honda did its final steps adopting to their needs id say

 

[Hall]

but Im thinking Honda did its final steps adopting to their needs id say

Actually, I've wondered if Bosch or whoever develops this stuff simply makes it modular where automakers can (when feasible), offer or not offer certain options of the "package".

 

[paulo57509]

I haven't ever been happy with Honda paint. Their clear coat is way too thin.

 

[joekingcorvette]

My 2012 Civic has been trouble free except for new struts, ball joints, and tie rod ends. The car is so easy to service and has been great for 118,000 miles. My paint is in excellent shape and this car has to sit outside since its my daily beater. All companies have their problems and I am open minded and not brand loyal. I have owned some sort of Honda for the past 30 years. All companies have their flaws that's for sure.

 

[nthach]

I haven't ever been happy with Honda paint. Their clear coat is way too thin.

Honda uses the same Japanese paint formula - just made by PPG. There is a joint venture between PPG and a Japanese paint maker that exists solely for the US/Canadian/Mexican plants of the OEs.

 

[nthach]

Actually, I've wondered if Bosch or whoever develops this stuff simply makes it modular where automakers can (when feasible), offer or not offer certain options of the "package".

All the OE suppliers will supply parts and the code needed to make it work but will also work with their developers and designers.

 

[motorcity]

I have a 2019 Passport for my son. The collision system is pretty quirky. Will go off when no vehicles nearby. And sometimes when turning and a vehicle is nearby. Saw on the Passport forum, some complaints of reflections of sun of vehicles triggering it.