Morals and working with the public

[Pablo]

Morals should get person into trouble with their conscience. Ethical concerns may not cause an emotional crisis but there is also overlap between ethics and mortals.

We must differentiate between

immoral (I choose "evil" knowingly)
amoral (My values don't include good and evil - something is wrong with me)
nonmoral (Morals don't affect the choices I make. Should I wear briefs or shorts?)
unmoral (Attributed to things like natural disasters and objects. A rock that falls on your head is unmoral, a bee that stings you is also unmoral)



Ethics are quite like common laws. Someone could be an immoral swine but still act ethically.


Whatever it takes to make a good impression.

Can a person on the internets be discerning if no emojis are deployed?

 

[vavavroom]

Can a person on the internets be discerning if no emojis are deployed?

I'm starting to hold up emojis when communicating IRL. When driving I wave my big foam finger quite a bit.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

I don't really see this as any different than say, an OE buying an NGK spark plug, putting it in their box, and then selling it for double the price that Napa sells the same plug for. It's just the way it is. If someone wants to go and buy at the dealer, that is completely up to them.

On the flip side Napa is saving more saavy people a lot of money compared to OE, regardless of what Napa's markup is.

 

[John105]

I don't really see this as any different than say, an OE buying an NGK spark plug, putting it in their box, and then selling it for double the price that Napa sells the same plug for. It's just the way it is. If someone wants to go and buy at the dealer, that is completely up to them.

On the flip side Napa is saving more saavy people a lot of money compared to OE, regardless of what Napa's markup is.

Agreed. Where it's unscrupulous is some other scenarios such as a concert ticket being $600, and the artist truly not making much off of it. Just like when a gasoline retailer makes 1-3 cents per gallon, doesn't really make sense to blame them for the price, or pumps that have sediment that clog up peoples' fuel systems (j/k)

 

[MaximumMini]

caveat emptor

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Others have articulated it better, but to put it crassly, this is called the “idiot tax.”

 

[John105]

Again this is just my thing, maybe not morals, but politeness. I can't tell you how many 20 somethings I can walk behind, and they simply let the door shut behind them, being fully aware there is someone directly behind. I'd even go out on a limb and say that's rude, but, they were raised this way.

The other week I held the door at McD's for a woman and her tiny daughter (4?). What I noticed? My 11 y.o. held the inner door for the two of them. I didn't tell him to and have never told him to do that. I know it's my wife's doing, and I was proud.

 

[MaximumMini]

Again this is just my thing, maybe not morals, but politeness. I can't tell you how many 20 somethings I can walk behind, and they simply let the door shut behind them, being fully aware there is someone directly behind. I'd even go out on a limb and say that's rude, but, they were raised this way.

The other week I held the door at McD's for a woman and her tiny daughter (4?). What I noticed? My 11 y.o. held the inner door for the two of them. I didn't tell him to and have never told him to do that. I know it's my wife's doing, and I was proud.

Truth. ^^^

In general, younger people (under 60) seem to have missed out on simple social etiquette skills.
Can only imagine how bad it will get going forward as those already rude, raise their own.

 

[OFFRD]

I was raised with morals, treat people right, dont screw people over, etc and lately working at Napa has tested this. I work at a Napa that is owned by a local family, they have 5 stores. We have more than just auto parts and the local people go into an uproar if we dont carry what they need. A guy came in recently for a raincoat which I thought was ridiculous, I wouldnt even think of going to a Napa for that but lo and behold we have them. Ill just give a few examples of my experience there the past few weeks.

Guy comes in for a starter, my manager says his famous line, “no we dont have it but we can get it”. He then goes on Amazon, orders it and marks it up 30%. He says its business, I say its wrong. I cant with a good conscience do that to someone

Guy comes in says he wants motorcraft 15W40. Again “we dont have it but we can get it” this oil is $25 per jug at Walmart. Manager sends me to the local ford dealer to get 3 jugs at $35 each, and sells it to the guy for $38 each. This is a case of the customer being misinformed that it can be had elsewhere for cheaper and also getting screwed in my opinion. Again I couldnt sell the guy this oil without feeling bad.

And lastly, a guy called today he said “can you get a starter for a briggs and stratton lawnmower?” Didnt say what kind, what model etc I said well bring the starter Ill match the numbers. He said cant you tell by the number of teeth? I said no he said nevermind got mad and hung up. I told my manager, he sided with me and said what they think were magicians? The public thinks we can solve the worlds problems and if we dont carry a part they need, god forbid.

I hope Im not wrong here, what Im saying is dont drink the koolaid. There are better and less expensive ways to get parts. Napa is way overpriced. While I do like to shop local when I can, I quote one of my best friends when we were talking about living in this expensive world.

“Before I support local, Im gonna shop online and support my wallet” I cant blame him for that, I try to save where I can when I can. Just a lil rant for today.

ALL auto parts stores are using HUGE mark-ups. I discovered this about 15 years ago when I needed a radiator for a Jeep Grand Cherokee which was a second vehicle. The auto parts stores of course wanted $200 to $300 for a radiator depending upon "grade". Being a second vehicle, I ordered a radiator from eBay for $30 bucks. I kid you not. $30 bucks. I expected it to be junk, but hoped it would just get me through winter. Well, when that radiator arrived I was shocked. Not only was it NOT junk, but it was better quality than the auto parts stores! It was 3 core instead of 2 core, had better welds and construction, and a better drain petcock on the bottom. I installed it and had zero issues with it the rest of the time I owned that Jeep.

And that was the day I realized why auto parts stores are literally popping up on EVERY corner in America that isn't already occupied by a drug store.

 

[Chris142]

Business have to mark things up to stay in business. If someone wants a product and you can supply that product it's up to the customer to decide if they'd want to pay your asking price for it .

Now putting a cheap oil in a name brand jug is not good. But nothing wrong with purchasing something somewhere else and marking it up. I doubt the $3 on the oil was profittable at all.

We have a tool truck that comes by my work. Everything on that truck is available on Amazon for much less. It's up to the purchaser to decide if it's worth paying more to have a tool right now.

 

[alarmguy]

I was raised with morals, treat people right, dont screw people over, etc and lately working at Napa has tested this. I work at a Napa that is owned by a local family, they have 5 stores. We have more than just auto parts and the local people go into an uproar if we dont carry what they need. A guy came in recently for a raincoat which I thought was ridiculous, I wouldnt even think of going to a Napa for that but lo and behold we have them. Ill just give a few examples of my experience there the past few weeks.

Guy comes in for a starter, my manager says his famous line, “no we dont have it but we can get it”. He then goes on Amazon, orders it and marks it up 30%. He says its business, I say its wrong. I cant with a good conscience do that to someone

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I get what you are saying, I am VERY much like you, raised with morals.
However in this case I would disagree. Your boss has a physical location and employees to support. Acquiring a part someplace else and reselling it I see no problem with. He very well may pay Amazon less for the part than what his parts supplier would charge him.
There is nothing wrong with reselling merchandise, that is exactly what a retailer does. It doesnt matter what his source is.

 

[Chris142]

I had a customer accuse me of making a profit off her once. Weird

She brought her car in for an repairs. Only place that had a compressor available that day was AutoZone. I added about $60 to the price of the compressor.

She agreed on the price and I went ahead with the job.

She saw the delivery person and the AutoZone on the name tag. Then googled the price @ AutoZone.

Got all in my face over me marking the price up and put a negative comment on our yelp page accusing me of profiting off her lol.

 

[Chris142]

ALL auto parts stores are using HUGE mark-ups. I discovered this about 15 years ago when I needed a radiator for a Jeep Grand Cherokee which was a second vehicle.

We used to get radiators from the distributor. My cost on that jeep was about $100 and I would have sold it for $160.

Not sure how much less AutoZone or whoever pays for one but they buy more in volume and get a better price break.

 

[AZjeff]

In general, younger people (under 60) seem to have missed out on simple social etiquette skills.
Can only imagine how bad it will get going forward as those already rude, raise their own.

And who didn't teach these younger people these social etiquette skills?

 

[Pew]

Truth. ^^^

In general, younger people (under 60) seem to have missed out on simple social etiquette skills.
Can only imagine how bad it will get going forward as those already rude, raise their own.

Bias much? Half the 50+ at my gym don't wash their hands after using the bathroom or wipe down the equipment when they're done.

 

[John105]

Bias much? Half the 50+ at my gym don't wash their hands after using the bathroom or wipe down the equipment when they're done.

The equipment thing is a pet peeve and that seems to be the vast majority. But when the number 60 appears, I immediately know what people that is. It's me lol although I'm not there yet. We are necessarily the youngest people who could be expert on telephone lines and switching equipment. We are the youngest people who can be hardcore Deadheads. I've only mentioned 2 things, and it's true because of timing. So I wouldn't necessarily call it bias. I see this reaction to wfh. If a comment is said about it, some individuals are immediately defensive, when, it may not apply to them and was generally said. jmoymmv

 

[CapitalTruck]

I go to NAPA and other brick and mortars for one reason: If the part goes bad and my car is out of service then I can immediately swap it out under warranty. That makes a big difference.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Bias much? Half the 50+ at my gym don't wash their hands after using the bathroom or wipe down the equipment when they're done.

The narrative goes that Boomers are spoiled, entitled, and clueless, Gen X are somehow both checked out and mad about being irrelevant, millennials are disenchanted and neurotic, gen Z are under-socialized and lazy.

At least that’s what we’re all being taught. Maybe there’s some truth to it, but it’s easy to overinflate.

 

[Pablo]

The narrative goes that Boomers are spoiled, entitled, and clueless, Gen X are somehow both checked out and mad about being irrelevant, millennials are disenchanted and neurotic, gen Z are under-socialized and lazy.

At least that’s what we’re all being taught. Maybe there’s some truth to it, but it’s easy to overinflate.

You know. Stereotyping

 

[dubber09]

I bet some believe that Superman and Spiderman are real and will come to save them if they need them
Too many people are self centered and base their expectations on the TV and movies.