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Morals and working with the public
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I'll correct you, you meant to say, "Punch cards".
Here are a few example of morals.
Don’t steal
Don’t murder
Don’t cheat
Don’t lie
I do not see in the OP where any of the above was violated.
All this “be nice” bs is not morals at all. In fact it’s the opposite. Because it forces people to betray the true morals, in order to appear “nice” and not offend others. The fear of offending is greater than the truth.
Don’t steal
Don’t murder
Don’t cheat
Don’t lie
I do not see in the OP where any of the above was violated.
All this “be nice” bs is not morals at all. In fact it’s the opposite. Because it forces people to betray the true morals, in order to appear “nice” and not offend others. The fear of offending is greater than the truth.
I assume that everything is a scam unless proven otherwise.
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Not everything is all bad, but much can be cited as such.
When I was a kid I got beat up physically. My mom hated it. But the school administration said both your son, and the person who started, are both being punished. We didn’t see it. So my mom said in that case, my son will be fighting back.
I learned to fight and have done so as late as 2008 when I was mugged on the NYC subway. At that time I was still fearless and took on 4 guys.
Flash forward to having a son born 2013. By 4th grade he’s never been teased nor bullied like I was. He has no need to learn to fight. Bullying isn’t acceptable like it was in my time. The downside is my son is nearing black belt in Karate, but honestly he won’t have the fighting skills I had around his age.
I would argue my mom was totally moral in teaching me to stand up for myself. Some of this can be translated to dealing with the public and work. We expect integrity and don’t have to be doormats
When I was a kid I got beat up physically. My mom hated it. But the school administration said both your son, and the person who started, are both being punished. We didn’t see it. So my mom said in that case, my son will be fighting back.
I learned to fight and have done so as late as 2008 when I was mugged on the NYC subway. At that time I was still fearless and took on 4 guys.
Flash forward to having a son born 2013. By 4th grade he’s never been teased nor bullied like I was. He has no need to learn to fight. Bullying isn’t acceptable like it was in my time. The downside is my son is nearing black belt in Karate, but honestly he won’t have the fighting skills I had around his age.
I would argue my mom was totally moral in teaching me to stand up for myself. Some of this can be translated to dealing with the public and work. We expect integrity and don’t have to be doormats
Hard men create easy times.....easy times create soft men......soft men create hard times.....hard times create hard men. Repeat. We're presently in #3
I think there is a difference between adding on money as a "fee" to help someone vs. taking advantage of them. Most of the public wants everything done for free. People's time is valuable. For my side business I mark-up my parts a little bit. Why? Because I spend time looking them up, ordering them, researching what is better, etc.
Taking advantage of someone would be lying and selling them a service or part they don't need. I work in the IT field, and run a helpdesk. Most of my staff exist simply because people can't google the answers to their problems, so instead they pay us to do it for them as a service.
Taking advantage of someone would be lying and selling them a service or part they don't need. I work in the IT field, and run a helpdesk. Most of my staff exist simply because people can't google the answers to their problems, so instead they pay us to do it for them as a service.
Just had a guy call me and say his mom's '19 Rogue needs a timing chain. I asked what the symptoms were. He said it's at 100k. I said there's no interval on those and absent timing-related codes and further diag, I won't do it and he should be suspect of any shop that would.I think there is a difference between adding on money as a "fee" to help someone vs. taking advantage of them. Most of the public wants everything done for free. People's time is valuable. For my side business I mark-up my parts a little bit. Why? Because I spend time looking them up, ordering them, researching what is better, etc.
Taking advantage of someone would be lying and selling them a service or part they don't need. I work in the IT field, and run a helpdesk. Most of my staff exist simply because people can't google the answers to their problems, so instead they pay us to do it for them as a service.
But I'm sure some shops would just take the job..... I would consider that immoral -- unless maybe the informed customer still INSISTS
Stores and loads in general purpose registers for the win, baby! In the IBM 360/370 Assembler Set, register to register integer arithmetic is the fastest thing it can do.
I programmed For-trash on punch cards. Don't mix 'em up! Lousy language, by the way. COBOL was the 1st great data management program. Well written COBOL reads like a book...
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UPS Store comes to mind. I don’t have anything against them many of them are super nice. But when they charge $28 to ship a package I cringe. If the person would have simply opened a free account at home, likely would have been $17. Should they help people to setup accounts in the store to save them money? I don’t think so…I think there is a difference between adding on money as a "fee" to help someone vs. taking advantage of them. Most of the public wants everything done for free. People's time is valuable. For my side business I mark-up my parts a little bit. Why? Because I spend time looking them up, ordering them, researching what is better, etc.
Taking advantage of someone would be lying and selling them a service or part they don't need. I work in the IT field, and run a helpdesk. Most of my staff exist simply because people can't google the answers to their problems, so instead they pay us to do it for them as a service.
Some customers want the convenience of going to one place to find what they need, rather than going all over the internet or chasing all around town to find it themselves a few dollars cheaper. By finding these parts from various suppliers for the customers, your boss is not "screwing" anybody. He is providing a service.
Indeed, being able to find all kinds of things from one source is what keeps Amazon going.
When I worked for a large corporation at an oil refinery, we had a big purchasing department to buy the parts and supplies necessary to keep the refinery going. When a certain part was hard to find, we had some employees called "expediters" whose job was to find sources of materials unavailable through traditional channels. And these people were paid well for doing that work.
Indeed, being able to find all kinds of things from one source is what keeps Amazon going.
When I worked for a large corporation at an oil refinery, we had a big purchasing department to buy the parts and supplies necessary to keep the refinery going. When a certain part was hard to find, we had some employees called "expediters" whose job was to find sources of materials unavailable through traditional channels. And these people were paid well for doing that work.
These are ethical rules that enable society to function in a lawful manner. That is distinct from morals which are a personal set of rules. For example, I may find it morally wrong to do something that society approves or I may approve of something that society does not allow. Ethics and morals may align perfectly or they may clash. Happens all the time. A dilemma can also arise when there is an ethical or moral paradox.
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One that happens every day. Running a red light. Legal, moral, ethical, wrapped into one.
Yes, but if you are a professional mechanic, you also get the parts at wholesale. He is talking about paying retail and then marking it up further.
Morals are things that don't get you in trouble when no one is watching.
Ethics are things that people rat you for at work trying to score brown nose points.
Legalities are things that sent guys in your church group to jail 30 years ago before they joined your church group.
Ethics are things that people rat you for at work trying to score brown nose points.
Legalities are things that sent guys in your church group to jail 30 years ago before they joined your church group.
His time, efforts and expertise add value to the proposition.
Well the customer is left to decide whether he wants to buy oil at the marked-up price. Sure there are other places people can go but they opted for your store. The manager is fulfilling the customers need (i.e. Motocraft 10w-40). If the customer wasn't happy with the price he could shop elsewhere but typically they're not interested in shopping around. Their time is valuable as well.
Now there could be an argument over charging different prices for people the manager "likes" or "dislikes".
I had many decks of punch cards in my desk. And then the rubber bands started to dry out and break and the decks were a mess, jumbled together. And one day I could not find the card reader as it was gone. And they got rid of the impact printer that printer on green stripe that eventually turned yellow.
Morals should get person into trouble with their conscience. Ethical concerns may not cause an emotional crisis but there is also overlap between ethics and mortals.
We must differentiate between
immoral (I choose "evil" knowingly)
amoral (My values don't include good and evil - something is wrong with me)
nonmoral (Morals don't affect the choices I make. Should I wear briefs or shorts?)
unmoral (Attributed to things like natural disasters and objects. A rock that falls on your head is unmoral, a bee that stings you is also unmoral)
Ethics are quite like common laws. Someone could be an immoral swine but still act ethically.
Whatever it takes to make a good impression.
Except most S/370 is business dealing with money. Money does into PD format. No one wants their paycheck in binary dollars.
