Money spent on electricity stays here

[Merkava_4]

http://www.energycentral.com/centers/energybiz/ebi_detail.cfm?id=528

Quote:
"We must not let promises to produce electric vehicles vaporize like the distant memory of $2-per-gallon gas," says Linda Nicholes, executive director of Plug in America. "Taking this stand is also boldly patriotic because the money we spend on electricity stays here at home. It strengthens our own economy, not the cold-blooded regimes of rogue terrorists abroad."


That hit me like a cold brick when I read that; if we buy electricity to power our electric cars, that money will NOT be going to oil producing Arab nations!

 

[crinkles]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
http://www.energycentral.com/centers/energybiz/ebi_detail.cfm?id=528

Quote:
"We must not let promises to produce electric vehicles vaporize like the distant memory of $2-per-gallon gas," says Linda Nicholes, executive director of Plug in America. "Taking this stand is also boldly patriotic because the money we spend on electricity stays here at home. It strengthens our own economy, not the cold-blooded regimes of rogue terrorists abroad."


That hit me like a cold brick when I read that; if we buy electricity to power our electric cars, that money will NOT going to oil producing Arab nations!

you'd be paying it to australia for our coal and uranium!

we are the world's quarry.

 

[Merkava_4]

That's alright! You Aussies are okay by me.

 

[Shannow]

US imports (2004) 13M barrels a day.

To replace that with coal(not counting conversion efficiencies) would be an extra 3 million tonnes of coal burned per day...a mile squared, 4 feet deep...add in power station efficiencies at 40%, and 4 tonnes of cooling water evaporation per tonne of coal, and it doesn't look pretty.

 

[Merkava_4]

We need more nuclear powerplants so we can forget about coal.

 

[Shannow]

I'll agree with you there, but they use even more water per MWHr.

Oz needs to be careful how and where they place their nukes (if we can ever get them).

Read an article today suggesting that France has forgotten how to build nuke infrastructure in a modern short-cut industry.

 

[crinkles]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
I'll agree with you there, but they use even more water per MWHr.

Oz needs to be careful how and where they place their nukes (if we can ever get them).

Read an article today suggesting that France has forgotten how to build nuke infrastructure in a modern short-cut industry.


are you aware of any rules of thumb of water consumption to generate power? a few years back i heard of 70 L evaporated to generate power to run 100W bulb 1 hr...

personally i'd prefer nuclear, IF waste can be guaranteed to be safe, but who are we to make guarantees tens of thousands of years into the future. I guess if they could dump it into the mantle (as if that's possible) maybe. even at depths of 5km and deeper the crust is deforming, jointing and fracturing, and stuff will spread.

and if they could cool warm water down before dumping back in the ocean to prevent temperature pollution.

 

[Pablo]

No need to import coal here. Uranium isn't held by a bunch of hostiles, either. Natural gas can be in the mix, too.

There is really no reason we can't build 40-50 more nuke plants other than NIMBY......and the sworn/brainwashed religion of environazism and their hired sycophants in the press and congress.

 

[oilyriser]

Are you willing to buy shares in a nuclear power company, if that company has to compete on the free market and there is no exemption from liability from operating errors or injury from the waste for the next 100,000 years?

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

What happens to the fuel tax when we convert to electric cars? Will household electricity be taxed to pay for roads? The thirsty beast must be fed.

In addition to not enriching less friendly nations, our trade deficit is tightened by producing more energy at home. This would strengthen the dollar. It's something you do not hear in the domestic drilling debate.

 

[oilyriser]

Road tax could be charged per mile on the odometer when you renew the license, or by some kind of electronic tag system.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Are you willing to buy shares in a nuclear power company, if that company has to compete on the free market and there is no exemption from liability from operating errors or injury from the waste for the next 100,000 years?


I own xxxx shares of PGN and PKN.

Nothing is 100% safe.

 

[CivicFan]

Pablo, start petitioning to build a nuclear power station near the town you live. That would be one way to overcome NIMBY. You could become an anti-NIMBY crusader. If you are lucky, one may get built near you.

 

[andyd]

Groucho, I'm sure the masterminds we elect to congress, both on the state and Federal level will come up with ways to get their cut. The point is well taken though. The fuel to generate electricity is domestic. Takes your choice, dirty coal, dangerous nukes, expensive solar, ? wind and stinky thermal de-polymerization. That's just the existing technology.
I dont see W wasting time on this, but mebbe the next guy will have the guts to implement a coherent policy. And pigs will fly.

 

[Pablo]

Our silly state did the WHOOPS thing. Now some are saying nixing it was a bigger WHOOPS. I think less than 5% of our power comes from nukes and they want to tear the hydro dams out.....

 

[Pablo]

I think the ball is squarely in the halls of the brothell....oops I meant Congress

 

[Scott P]

Many environmentalists see nuclear power ans clean and green. They are just easy targets. It's the people that "don't want a plant in my back yard" that cause the grief.

 

[Gary Allan]

NIMBY's are the plague. We're loaded with them here. They blocked landfill expansion (now closed) and also successfully blocked a trash to steam plant ..blocked the piping of landfill gas to an existing enterprise ..(now closed).

..and now we pay more to have our butts wiped in creating someone else's mess.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: crinkles
are you aware of any rules of thumb of water consumption to generate power? a few years back i heard of 70 L evaporated to generate power to run 100W bulb 1 hr...


about 1.5 to 1.8 Million litres per Gigawatt hour...1.5-1.8 litres per kWh

Originally Posted By: crinkles
and if they could cool warm water down before dumping back in the ocean to prevent temperature pollution.


The problem is that the waste heat needs to end up in the environment, either by a latents heat process (evaporation in inland stations), or in sensible heat by heating bodies of water.

Dry cooling is an option but destroys thermal efficiency in summer...but Oz should be seriously looking at it.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

about 1.5 to 1.8 Million litres per Gigawatt hour...1.5-1.8 litres per kWh
Unless I made a mistake...2500 gal evap for 1000 MW plant = about .06L/hour for 100 watts.

And BTW Nukes are Dead on arrival in the U.S. as a Nuclear worker for the last 32 years I can almost guarantee it. Say what you want. But hide and watch. Too much risk and too much Government/INPO regulations.

Windmills can be built now at 25% the cost of Nukes and start producing power in 6 months.