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Oh I know people will hype the risk of nukes way out of control - I will take good leadership skills to overcome the press, and clean up the regs.

Windmills are good, but not all areas have enough wind. I'm all for building windmills right away.

I'm just afraid the numbskulls will do nothing.
 
There are some very new photovoltaic devices in the lab and in medium scale production, that will make solar power more economical, but we have to conserve for now until the costs of production become lower.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Oh I know people will hype the risk of nukes way out of control - I will take good leadership skills to overcome the press, and clean up the regs.

Windmills are good, but not all areas have enough wind. I'm all for building windmills right away.

I'm just afraid the numbskulls will do nothing.


Our "leadership" most recently used a scare campaign against nukes to smooth public opinion over the DAs that went in for a couple of new coal fired stations
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Gonna be way more difficult now.
 
Something promising...

May 08 edition of "International Power Engineer" lobbed on my desk and I recovered it in a post outage strip mining of the future fossil reserves that had layered on my desk over 4 months.

http://www.engineerlive.com/power-engineer/

This article impressed me greatly
http://www.engineerlive.com/power-engine...y-project.thtml

Quote:
According to studies carried out for the US Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Energy, recycling energy that is currently wasted could generate nearly 200000MW of clean power, equivalent to about 20percent of the entire country’s electricity generating capacity. Recycling this wasted energy takes two forms, industrial waste energy recovery and combined heat and power (CHP).
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The project in Alloy, West Virginia, is expected to go into operation in 2010 and annually produce over 300000MW hours of clean energy and eliminate 290000tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions. The energy recycling project burns no fossil fuel and emits no pollutants, including carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, yet sells power for less than the cost of new coal-fired generation.


They find sources of high grade, waste heat (article mentions a silicon smelter exhaust), and get power out of it...gratis.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Something promising...

May 08 edition of "International Power Engineer" lobbed on my desk and I recovered it in a post outage strip mining of the future fossil reserves that had layered on my desk over 4 months.

http://www.engineerlive.com/power-engineer/

This article impressed me greatly
http://www.engineerlive.com/power-engine...y-project.thtml

Quote:
According to studies carried out for the US Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Energy, recycling energy that is currently wasted could generate nearly 200000MW of clean power, equivalent to about 20percent of the entire country’s electricity generating capacity. Recycling this wasted energy takes two forms, industrial waste energy recovery and combined heat and power (CHP).
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The project in Alloy, West Virginia, is expected to go into operation in 2010 and annually produce over 300000MW hours of clean energy and eliminate 290000tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions. The energy recycling project burns no fossil fuel and emits no pollutants, including carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, yet sells power for less than the cost of new coal-fired generation.


They find sources of high grade, waste heat (article mentions a silicon smelter exhaust), and get power out of it...gratis.


similar to what they do up here with the sugar mills except they burn the biomass at the plant in stead of the cane paddocks... pretty neat I reckon.
 
Roger the NIMBY issue. That is the major stumbling block to the Cape Wind project. You would be able to see those ugly windmills from your 10 million$ summer house on Martha's Vineyard. The few windmills Ive seen around, are by no means ugly. If the SE Distressway going into Boston was lined with them, it would just improve the view. Along the coast the wind is always blowing.
 
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Roger the NIMBY issue. That is the major stumbling block to the Cape Wind project. You would be able to see those ugly windmills from your 10 million$ summer house on Martha's Vineyard.

Hopefully brain cancer will take care of the problem.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: andyd
Roger the NIMBY issue. That is the major stumbling block to the Cape Wind project. You would be able to see those ugly windmills from your 10 million$ summer house on Martha's Vineyard.

Hopefully brain cancer will take care of the problem.


They're just too unimaginative. Heahs thah Mathah's Vineyahd version of ah windmill.


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Our local lumber mill supplies it's own electricity and sells the excess.

http://www.spi-ind.com/html/operations_cogen.cfm

I took a tour of their facility in our town, nice operation.

What the article doesn't mention is that they also use waste heat from the power generation process to supply heat for the lumber drying kilns and some other processes in the plant. The emission control devices capture the particles in the power plant exhaust and they sell that for some industrial process.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

They're just too unimaginative. Heahs thah Mathah's Vineyahd version of ah windmill.

Are there any bridges nearby? :)
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

They're just too unimaginative. Heahs thah Mathah's Vineyahd version of ah windmill.

Are there any bridges nearby? :)


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I guess it could be a new addition to the human miniature golf course challenges for some people.
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Originally Posted By: crinkles
similar to what they do up here with the sugar mills except they burn the biomass at the plant in stead of the cane paddocks... pretty neat I reckon.


Broadwater and Condong ?
 
See, all it took was a half way intelligent discourse to solve the Peak Oil trouble. Now where can I get a 50mile long extension cord?
 
If you have millions of electric cars plugged into the grid, the intermittent nature of wind energy isn't such a problem. When the wind blows too hard, cars can absorb the excess.
 
oilyriser, if ever the wholesale spot price of electricity gets passed on to the Oz consumer (which the retailers want), having an EV and an inverter would be a great benefit in the peaks.
 
If we can hook directly in ...it will be like turning up the transformer on a Lionel train set. You could even incorporate the red button and have them blow a whistle.

Q: How long does it take you to get to work?

A: It depends on which way the wind blows.
 
US is pretty well suited to things like wind and stuff. the "peak" spreads across the country over hours...down here, there's a narrow band of habitation stretching North South that's all in the same time zone.
 
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