Money Doesn't Make a Better Person.....

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Originally Posted By: javacontour

When will we abandon the failed solutions and start doing things that we know work?

Must of us (including you
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), realize that policies are driven by politicians who are unwilling to address solutions to problems that might actually work, bc it might prevent them from being re-elected. Its not about good or bad policy.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR



The true hurts, most of the times.

As a group/community if they don't like to help themselves, nobody can help them.


And lest anyone think I view this as a racial issue, I don't.
The same could be said about poor whites in Appalachia.

When the prevailing culture discounts the value of actions that lead to success, you will see continued failure.
 
Why can't we treat people as individuals? Why do they have to put people in groups and lecture them?

Bill Cosby tried the same thing.

If you come from money, it's a lot easier to hit the ground running than someone who grew up dirt poor.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Why can't we treat people as individuals? Why do they have to put people in groups and lecture them?

Bill Cosby tried the same thing.


I agree, but it has to go both ways. Not just discussions like we are having here, but let's also address those who group people based on so-called privilege, lecturing them on that topic. Or lecturing a group based on political views, lecturing them on how they don't care based on their political views. Or grouping based on gender and lecturing men on their so called short comings.

I'm waiting for the self-proclaimed advocates of coexist to stop lecturing others and actually getting about the business of coexistence. Coexistence doesn't mean anyone has the right to force others to spend their time, talent and treasure to support their pet solutions to their perceived problems. If they want to help, they are free to do so, but as soon as they begin to lecture others and suggest others "should" do something or should be compelled by law, then there is no coexistence, but coercion.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
suggest others "should" do something or should be compelled by law, then there is no coexistence, but coercion.


What are you referring to here?
 
There are those who believe others should be forced to help, or give, or more should be taken from them compared to others. Instead of treating people like individuals, they are lumped into some group for different treatment, or to be lectured by the self-appointed "enlightened."

So if you advocate for someone to be taxed at a higher rate because they belong to a grouping based on income, that's not coexistence. They are not allowed to control the same percentage of their earnings as those taxed at a lower rate. If you force a business to not allow smoking on the property, that's not coexistence. (Workers nor customers are forced to go to a smoking allowed establishment, but people are forced to go to non-smoking establishments by law.)

There are all sorts of examples of groups being lectured to in overt as well as in tacit forms.

Let's stop it all, left, right and center. If it's wrong to lecture your pet group, it's equally wrong to lecture mine, right?
 
I guess we just have a different philosophy on the role of government. If you open your establishment up to the public, it's open to the public. What right does someone have to ruin my health by blowing second hand smoke in my face when I am in a public place? Kill yourself in private all you want.

And the tax code is a mess. Lobbyists get all kinds of special deals for people that have money. If we're going to tax income, how is it fair that earned income is taxed at a higher percentage than capital gains?
 
This election, politicians will be pandering to the poor for easy votes.

The coexist fools are bozos living in lala land.... same goes for the Occupy Wall Street movement.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
This election, politicians will be pandering to the poor for easy votes.

The coexist fools are bozos living in lala land.


And pandering to the rich that are trying to buy the election and influence. They pander to everyone!
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude

And pandering to the rich that are trying to buy the election and influence. They pander to everyone!

The rich can not buy elections. They only have one vote each. Politicians that get elected by pandering to the poor are really buying the elections with money that successful people have given to the Government to run the country. They give this money to the poor/lazy in exchange for votes. In effect those politicians are using the rich to get voted in (with the money from the rich).

That should make you happy right? Now you love the Rich!!!
 
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Originally Posted By: dishdude
I guess we just have a different philosophy on the role of government. If you open your establishment up to the public, it's open to the public. What right does someone have to ruin my health by blowing second hand smoke in my face when I am in a public place? Kill yourself in private all you want.

And the tax code is a mess. Lobbyists get all kinds of special deals for people that have money. If we're going to tax income, how is it fair that earned income is taxed at a higher percentage than capital gains?


But you are not forced to go into such an establishment. Freedom of choice, right.

I have the view of limited government at the federal level. If peopIe want to help, there are plenty of non-governmental options. That way, they can help as they see fit. If they want to hand out food, or condoms or pay for abortions or bake cakes for same sex weddings they can. If others want to approach these issues in different ways, they should have the freedom to do so.

I agree, no one should be taxed at a total federal burden, counting income, payroll and excise taxes higher than 18%. One rate for all, Buffett and his assistant, paying the same rate.

That should have been clear from what I said before. No special treatment rich or poor, male or female, black or white, or any other division.

But as soon as you require we cater to groups such as non-smokers (and I'm not a smoker, I simply believe in freedom, including the freedom of a business owner to decide if his establishment allows smoking or not without government lecturing him by forcing the choice on him) you end up with those who are treated unfairly.

Outside efforts to address fairness usually simply trade one form of unfairness for another. And if it's our government supporting that unfairness, it's definitely worse.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: dishdude

And pandering to the rich that are trying to buy the election and influence. They pander to everyone!

The rich can not buy elections. They only have one vote each. Politicians that get elected by pandering to the poor are really buying the elections with money that successful people have given to the Government to run the country. In effect those politicians are using the rich to get voted in (with the money from the rich).

That should make you happy right? Now you love the Rich!!!


When you're buying millions of dollars of advertising, staffing and other campaign activities you're buying elections.

This is clearly a war on the poor, people love to shout about entitlements but say nothing about the ridiculous defense spending and entitlements we send to other rich countries that don't need out money.
 
I doubt there is a war on the poor. Taxpayers are simply tired of being told they are responsible.

They are as tired of welfare for the rich and the poor. Look at the support for candidates Sanders and Trump. There is a big group of voters tired of politics as usual on both the left and the right.

The war is those in political office declaring war on voters to keep their elected offices.

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: dishdude

And pandering to the rich that are trying to buy the election and influence. They pander to everyone!

The rich can not buy elections. They only have one vote each. Politicians that get elected by pandering to the poor are really buying the elections with money that successful people have given to the Government to run the country. In effect those politicians are using the rich to get voted in (with the money from the rich).

That should make you happy right? Now you love the Rich!!!


When you're buying millions of dollars of advertising, staffing and other campaign activities you're buying elections.

This is clearly a war on the poor, people love to shout about entitlements but say nothing about the ridiculous defense spending and entitlements we send to other rich countries that don't need out money.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Al said:
When you're buying millions of dollars of advertising, staffing and other campaign activities you're buying elections.

You might want to look up who is pandering to the poor (non workers) and who is spending the most to get those votes. Hard to believe you haven't realized that.
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No, it's the politicians taking it out of the pot. Congress allocates the money.


So healthy capable 25 year old adults on SS Disability, WIC, SNAP, EBT, Section 8, etc.... doesn't take out more money than a working guy like myself put in ???
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
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No, it's the politicians taking it out of the pot. Congress allocates the money.


So healthy capable 25 year old adults on SS Disability, WIC, SNAP, EBT, Section 8, etc.... doesn't take out more money than a working guy like myself put in ???



Sure, but go after the 535 in the house and senate willing to give away your hard earned money. If there was no such handout, they wouldn't get it.

It's not just the people you describe, it's also corporate welfare. Bailouts and subsidies for banks, car makers, green energy, not so green energy, paying farmers to not grow food, price supports for commodities, shall I go on?

All those breaks, given away by congress come from money taken from you and me. The problem is congress is far too willing to spend the money taken from taxpayers and more borrowed to buy votes.

That's your problem, a spendthrift congress.
 
I absolutely agree that Congress holds the purse strings and as such deserves most of the blame. Voters need to hold their representation accountable and vote them out when they do not perform. Term limits and other means can help keep the dynasties from lasting decades...
 
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