Mobil Super Syn 5w-30

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All base oils film strength will shear under pressure. The real way to help prevent wear is to maintain higher levels of antiwear additives. So much with this fact re. Mobil Super Syn.
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Originally Posted By: buster
Doesn't mean anything. New oils are using modern additive systems.

http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/7721049131
 
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
All base oils film strength will shear under pressure. The real way to help prevent wear is to maintain higher levels of antiwear additives. So much with this fact re. Mobil Super Syn.
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Originally Posted By: buster
Doesn't mean anything. New oils are using modern additive systems.

http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/7721049131



1)You do realize that there are additives which are not detected by the VOA correct? It seems as thou you have missed this point because you keep referring to lack of additives.

2)Historically, Mobil conventional oils, the SM version, always tested near the top of the heap when considering, volatility, TBN, and conventional add pack. So now you are suggesting that in 2011 Mobil finally discovered a profit motive and has decided to release oils that barely meet the SN requirements??

3)As I stated earlier in this thread, All of the SN Mobil 1 Oils VOA on BITOG including EP showed much lower level of "traditional" add pack and TBN numbers. This is more evidence that we are missing the complete picture of the oils construction. You could make a weak case that Mobil would cut corners on the conventionals, but now that we see similar results for the M1 variants it strongly suggests that your simplistic assessments of the oils robustness is incorrect.
 
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If you could provide anything anything that could back that #1 up I would not repeat myself. Otherwise we are in the tooth fairy area at which I stick with:
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You have a moral obligation to take money from suckers..
 
Buster man if you can answer the #1 as I have asked anything, anything not tooth fairy stuff,
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I will make you a balloon animal of your choice... There is one born every minute!!!
Originally Posted By: buster
otto certainly is a clown! LMAO!!
 
From Molekule, a formulator:

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There is more than "meets the eye" in these new formulations and robustness has nothing to do with the lack of metallic-based additives.

What you are NOT seeing, and as I predicted over two years ago, is that there are non-metallic, totally organic chemical compounds not being seen in these types of analyses that do the job of formerly all metallic additives.


I'll take a Siberian Tiger Balloon.
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otto, why would a company put their reputation on the line that has major contracts with top engine builders? Makes ZERO sense.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
From Molekule, a formulator:

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There is more than "meets the eye" in these new formulations and robustness has nothing to do with the lack of metallic-based additives.

What you are NOT seeing, and as I predicted over two years ago, is that there are non-metallic, totally organic chemical compounds not being seen in these types of analyses that do the job of formerly all metallic additives.


It's interesting that SN/GF-5 Mobil 1 EP shows more metallic additives than this oil. It would be odd if this oil is relying more on modern organic additives than their flagship product.
 
Good point by all, I hope in the future guys like Tom NJ, Johnny, etc give us some look see re. this subject. Fram comes to mind, we all know the ocod is junk yet they fly out of the store and have for years. If I was in Mobil I would use that example, showing you really just need to get by. 99% of people have no clue and you could not get them to learn.Yes the top tier has all the good stuff, but you make a decision volume or quality. For most, American Idol is very important, kind of oil not so much. Here PYB has a robust add pack with the new SN oil they went the other way giving you more of a bang for the buck. How come the dino has a improved add pack now??? And the syn product seems to be going the other way. Yes uoa will help alot and as I said guys like Johnny and Tom might fill us in. Why has Amsoil gotten on the moly band wagon after all these years? Boy do I miss Gary.
 
Tom is one of the few remaining experts on this site. I miss the old BITOG days when Molekule and bruce would would provide us with info on industry trends. Those were the days. It made it all much more interesting. Now, everyone thinks they are a chemist. LOL
 
I'm not a M1 promoter, I just use what works checking: #1-fuel economy and #2-perceived engine smoothness and "freedom" Now, of the new GF-5 oils: PYB, Havoline DS and Mobil Super (MS?) actually run in the 09 Subaru, the Mobil Super SLAUGHTERED the other oils. So far the best low saps formulation used in a decade - and you KNOW I havent beed pleased with conventional 5w30 oils in the past 15 years. Also, I have been running GF-5 MC-SS in the yaris and this oil is good in there and shows great promise. You would guess MC-SS Should be O.K. in the toyota app, since the new Ford V8 400HP coyote head(s) are simple DOHC/SUB like the toyota/yamaha heads. Note that the 09 Subaru doesnt challenge oil at all - No Chain, SOHC, Roller followers, moly slippers, big pump.
 
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I think the SN oil came out last fall. So using that logic you would have about 3-4 k on the PYB and Havoline oils before you switched to the Super which did so much better. That is 1k per month pace.
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I have been using many of the wrong oils since 1962, never lost an engine until recently when the oil pump let go at 3oo,000 miles. I dont believe that M1 would make an inferior oil ever, there is to much on the line for that kind of thinking.

I have used Texaco,Havoline,Valvoline,Shell,Castrol,old Western auto oil from the 60's, and most of that old stuff was just old 30 wt only or 20 wgt in the winter. Oh, used Pennsoil in a 67 Beetle for 6 years. It all worked out great and never a UOA, and usually no oil additives, so there u have it. If its SN rated these days,, pour it in................amen
 
Originally Posted By: TenSecondZ2
Before everyone jumps on the "weak add pack" bandwagon - Have you paid attention to the several other SN Mobil 1 VOA's recently??

They all show a lower than "expected" addpack - Either blackstone calibration is off, or Mobil's new formulation across the SN lineup (conventional thru M1) has changed and a simple VOA may not be picking up the complex nature of these oils.


Honestly, I've been hearing this statement that organic additives are "non-detectable by cheap VOA" on this site since 2002. First it was Castrol, I believe. Then Valvoline defenders jumped in saying that Valvoline is so advanced VOA can't pick up its formulation. Now it's M1 SN.

It very well maybe true, but I have yet to see a single concrete evidence which support this claim for the last 10 years. The fact that there are research papers published on the topic does not mean manufacturers are using those technologies/additives.

What I can tell you however, is that for some reason above statement about non-detectable has always been used against Amsoil for some reason which always had higher number of additives and worked very well in most applications.

Then top of the line oils M1 EP, PP, PU, Castrol Edge came along all with a very high additive amounts which were detectable by "cheap VOA" and all of those worked great.

Thus, I don't necessarily buy talk about those invisible additives until I see some scientific factual proof.
 
The Mobil Super 5000 was the best 5w30 I've used in over a decade. That Ti package really, really frees up the engine. Curious if the EXxon red bottle oil has a lower detergent package but similar Ti levels - I would go for that on my 5K oci plan.
 
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I just read superflo has been discontinued. Makes good marketing sense I suppose. Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Mercury, panther and now superflow. Wonder of EoM supertech is same as mobile "special"? I guess the 3-4K mile detergent package is a dinosaur.
 
not very impressed. low or missing everything. super low tbn for a syn. think ill stick to good dino. qsad, cs and many other dinos show better voas than this synthetic
 
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