I would say ,,,,lets wait to see how it holds up after some used oil analysis come in.
Mobil Clean 7500, worth it?
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Havoline will out preform Mobil 7500, because of its superior additive package. Also again we dont know how much SYN. is in Mobil 7500 and you never will. If you want to have some fun call the mobil 800 tech line , these idiots know nothing about engine lubricants.I call from time to time just to get a laugh out of there responses, not one has been able to answer any of my questions, and i make them easy ones. But the bottom line is HAVOLINE is superior to mobil 7500. Check the used oil analysis section on this site, ane you be the judge.
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Mobil 7500 has a nice add-pack too! I think posts here mentioned it was around 20% synthetic. Beef it up by substituting one quart of 7500 for a quart of synthetic Mobil 1. That will make your syn-blend closer to 33%...ie... 1/3rd synthetic. Now that's a nice blend.
Just wanted to add this, a lot of people on this site think if something is synthetic , it is automatically superior to a non- synthetic ,this is not true. Without a carefully balanced additive package synthetic means nothing.
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Greater heat & cold protection.... longer OCIs greater cleaning abilities are common with synthetics. We've been over this a million times here at BITOG. Yes... your typical synthetic family of any oil manaufacturer are better than dinos of their family.
Havoline may be the best dino out there. But I would prefer synthetic in extreme weather & drving conditions.
Triple how do you know its 20% synthetic, you will never get that info, from Mobil.
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I remember reading it here. It's just an average... not gospel. This is the only oil shop I visit. It's in the archives here somewhere. That should not be surprising! That number is about-norm for that price structure (7500) industry. If the syn-blend oil is a buck for a quart, don't expect it to have as much synthetic base. It may be as low as 5%.
Because oil manufacturers won't admit the number, I always boycott buying it due to lack of trust. I always mix my own dino with full synthetic.
Unfortunately these days, synthetic blend can mean anything, including a Group II/III blend that some would call conventional. I do think these new Mobils are something to watch and that the 7500 is a true blend. The used oil analysis on the Exxon equivalent of the Clean 5000 have been excellent. I just bought some Clean 7500 for my 05 4 cyl Accord. I'll put it in at 5000 miles and keep it for another 5000. Afterword I'll do an analysis and see if the next cycle can go the Honda recommended 10,000.
Like the GC believers say. It is not all about the additives either. GC works well because it is a great OIL. The VOA looks weak. M7500 is probably a better oil than the Chevron, plus it has good adds. Lets see 5x2.09=10.45 + tax. 5*.89=4.45 + tax. So M 7500 will cost you $5 over Chevron. (assuming you purchase chevron on sale or at Costco).
Boy, I'd like to know how you guys can look at $20 VOA additive PPM results and conclusively state that one oil will perform better than another. I guess I'm just not that smart.
Mobil does not cut corners in it's formulations. How do the 7500mi Chevron used oil analysis look? If I were going that far on a conventional/blend, I'd want some serious assurance in the form of warranty and lab work to back it up. Think of it this way, if they were offered at the same price, which would you prefer? How much does that extra $5 at OC time really mean anyway?
Off topic but the highest quality gp III used oil analysis seem quite impressive to the point of unless pao extremes are needed .
Carpy mentioned it was GIII and GIV. Mobil 7500 that is.
What type of Havoline is that?quote:
Originally posted by Winston:
So there is a comparison of M 7500 and Havoline/Chevron. Clearly the differences relate to Mobils use of Antimony(shows up as NA) while Chevron uses more Moly and no Antimony. Plus we have heard that M 7500 is mostly group III oil. M 7500 looks good to me.
Steve: What you say is true but if I'm paying the same price then I'd prefer the PAO which is still better than Gr.III in the extreme cold. If Mobil 1 were $5 a quart and a good Gr.III (synth) like Castrol,Texaco etc..were 3.50 then I'd go with the Gr. III.
IMO, I don't see the attraction to the Mobil conventional products. Is the "Mobil" label? Why even use it?
The SL Mobil conventionals often times led to consumption, the SM products just seem lackluster. Other than the PAO products in the Mobil 1 line, why even use Mobil conventionals??
The SL Mobil conventionals often times led to consumption, the SM products just seem lackluster. Other than the PAO products in the Mobil 1 line, why even use Mobil conventionals??
Lets Try again. For some reason I did not see the Havoline Dino VOA before. Here it is with the M7500.
As far as comparing it to Havoline Syn Blend, I don't think we have any data on it.
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