Mobil 1 for transmission?

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Here is some data for 3 dino Hypoid GL5 gear oils as to average range of additives:

KV - 17.42 to 18.24 (100 C)
VI - 98-101

Additive EP Elements (% by weight)
Sulfur - 2.72 to 2.93%
Phosphorous - 0.11% to 0.12%
Chlorine - 0.02%
Nitrogen - 0.08 to 0.09%

It was stated that GL4 gear oils have a milder EP additive package which amounts to 30 to 50% less EP elements than do GL5 oils.
 
Guys, I talked to a Coastal rep last year on this very subject. He indicated that the newer GL-5's had "buffers" added to the formula, to make them safe for the soft metals in the transmission.

After hearing this, I filled my Bronco transmission with Coastal 75w-90. No problems so far.....
 
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Someone help me out here if I'm missing something.

No, you got it right
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Robert
1994 Miata, turbocharged to 220hp


Actually, lately the activity in the referenced thread on the Miatanet forum has not been due to the cost of Redline products, but insstead because a number of Miata enthusiests have problems with transmission crunching which aren't resolved by the "premium" products, i.e. Redline. Some folks there have switched to Mobil 1 gear lube in their transmissions and have reported that the crunchy shifts are much reduced or gone altogether. With this in mind, seeing as I have Redline in my transmission and have a bit of a one-two crunch, I'm very interested in trying Mobil 1 gear lube, but not if there are long-term concerns. So, with all this in mind, anyone have any new light to bear on this issue?

Thanks in advance,

Peter
 
I have been using Redline's gear lubes and find that the MTL and MT series have lower levels of sulfur and phosphorus AW additives, and have been replaced by the less aggressive esters.

I changed over from Amsoil's S2000 TGR to MTL and the notchiness has gone away. The shifts have been smoother in all temps.

Redline also has better tbn retention over the long haul which means the TAN (acids) cannot build up as fast.
 
Gort, Miatas must be unique as I've had nothing but superb results when using Redline MT-90 in a variety of Chevy and Toyota manual transmissions. In these same vehicles, Mobil 1 gear oil made shifting worse than even the original factory fill conventional oils. I am a great fan of all Mobil 1 products, including the gear oil when used in differentials. For manual transmissions, however, Mobil 1 gear oil has been a dissappointment.
 
Yeah, well, the Mobil 1 idea makes me worry. I've had Redline MTL in for the past 60,000 miles. I just ordered some MT-90 and I'll see how that goes.

Thanks, all, for the advice.

Peter
 
My experiences mirror those of Malibu. Each time I have used Red Line or heard others use it, they have noticed a marked improvement in shifter feel and most are very happy/excited and never look back.

In the January issue of Sport Compact Car they had an article about a 500hp 300ZX Turbo project car and they talked about what a thinned-out runny mess the Mobil 1 oil gear oils in their diff and transmission had become and what an improvement switching over to Red Line gear lubes had made. If I didn't have so many positive personal experiences with Red Line myself I would have written the comments off as paid "puffery" endorsements by a magazine. As it is, I just look at their 300Z experiences as just a couple more successful applications of Red Line gear oils.
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Occasionally I run into someone who says they felt no difference when switching to Red Line and very rarely I talk to somone who reports more "crunchiness" in their transmission than when using some other kind of lube.

I have come to the conclusion that synchromesh gearboxes are fussy and some prefer certain coefficients of friction over others. It is not unheard of that someone reports problem after swithing to Red Line from some other brand or even the factory fill.

I also feel that others are blaming the oil in their transmission when it is actually their abuse of the gearbox which is the problem. Much easier/better to blame the oil than to accept the idea that you are a lousy driver ... or even need more experience behind the wheel. I found this on some of the Honda-Acura boards I used to frequent. Kids (often new to stick-shifts) driving hard in cars with lots of miles on them.
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I say experiment ... and if it seems your transmission doesn't care for a type of gear oil, swap it out for something else ASAP. With manual gearboxes, it usually only takes 2-3 quarts so even at $10 per quart, it's small potatos in their world of auto maintenance.
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May I also suggest a 50-50 mixture of MTL and MT-90 for the transmissions. I am going to use this in my next change as owners of my breed have stated this further eliminates the crunch, especially when the transmission is cold. The switch from Amsoil to MT-90 reduced it quite a bit and I am hoping the 50-50 mix wil even reduce it more. Both are GL-4.
 
for those that are interested, from the mobil website:

"Mobilube SHC gear lubricants will not corrode copper and its alloys. They are suitable for API Service GL-5. The lubricants permit gear performance at the MIL-PRF-2105E level and provide the low-temperature fluidity required for the operation of automotive equipment in arctic winter conditions. "

from the lubrizol website:
"API MT-1 designates oils for heavy-duty truck and bus manual transmissions. Its focus is on improved high-temperature cleanliness and stability, oxidation and antiwear control, and compatibility with oil seals and copper alloys"
and
"The U.S. Military recently updated its gear oil specification to MIL-PRF-2105E. This specification combines the requirements of 2104D and API MT-1. MIL-PRF-2105E requires heavy-duty manual transmission field testing in addition to the heavy and light-duty axle testing currently required. "

the combination of statements from lubrizoil (who has a really great website for information) and mobil on the mil spec seem to put this issue to bed.

while if i am in arctic conditions in my miata, i have bigger problems than gear oil, this would indicate that the corrosion problem has been taken care of. also, from the 02 miata manual, either GL-4 or GL-5 is specified. thus i would have to say that mobil 1 would work just fine. as i ran it for 156K in my 94M edition, i would say that proves it.

scott

[ March 23, 2003, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: cheetahdriver ]
 
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