Mobil 1 0w40, 95 Buick Roadmaster, LT1, 5065 miles

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Okay ..so essentially a 160 t-stat allows you to compensate for defects in the cooling system. This is still an oddity since a 160 stat cannot maintain 160 ..nor a 180 stat 180 under all conditions. Naturally, with electric fans you're going to have a setpoint and a dead band (overshoot, undershoot ...over critical dampening).

Even with electric fan installs on high hp street rods I've never seen this as necessary. Naturally you're confined to the OEM setup out of preference. Most that I've observed have used the Centech fan controller ..that merely takes it's cue from your temp sensor ..and maintains whatever you dial in.

btw, Buffman ..I didn't know that LT1 was required reading in skewl
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[ May 14, 2006, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]
 
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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
VaderSS ..my take ..or rather confusion, is that if he's only too hot at highway with a 180 t-stat ..why isn't he in the same power robbing state at lower speeds if infact the 180, at whatever resultant temp that ends up at, is sapping the power
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That is, if a 160f thermostat is "all that" at the higher speeds ..it should yield the same "enhanced potency" (thinking of R.J. Nabisco's "added impact" nicotine additives in their memos) 24/7 ..around town ..suburban cruising ..rural Dukes of Hazard emulations ..whatever.

Sorry ..there's fog here. It's surely just me.


Maybe Im not typing things right or Im being stupid or something is going wrong in the disucssion.

Car runs cooler all around no matter what driving speed with 160T-stat. like vader said unless AC is on or Im driving under 40mph (give or take) the T-stat is for the most part controling the the whole deal.

Given what I stated the actual coolant temps are usually about 15 degrees above what the T-stat is rated for or so what I've observed from Logs.

I have no idea what the stock Fan settings are but when the 180 T-stat is installed they are set at 197* and 205*. Being it was winter and I had no reason to log, I only recall logging once and again as stated coolant temps were almost approx 15* degrees warmer than T-stat rated temp.

So, in generall theory coolant temps are 20 * cooler on the highway (given fans are not running) with 160 T-stat. I see peak oil temps in the hot summer of nothing higher than around 215*. With the 180T-stat I was seeing peak oil temps of 250* with similiar driving but in the winter. Since my car came factory with 2.56s I just have the standard filter adapter as the Corvettes do ala no means of oil cooling like the 9c1 Caprice, ImpalaSS, or Camaro.

Maybe we're just trying to think about different things. I'll just **** now and drive 3k and see what we get.
 
Here's some razzle Dazzle Info on LTX cooling system

The LT1 is completely different since it uses reverse flow cooling. The incoming coolant first encounters the thermostat, which now acts both on the inlet and outlet sides of the system. Depending on the engine coolant temperature, cold coolant from the radiator is carefully metered into the engine. This allows a more controlled amount of cold coolant to enter, which immediately mixes with the bypass coolant already flowing. This virtually eliminates the thermal shock present in the old system.

After entering through one side of the 2-way thermostat (at the appropriate temperature), the cold coolant is routed directly to the cylinder heads first, where the combustion chambers, spark plugs and exhaust ports are cooled. Then the heated coolant returns to the engine block and circulates around the cylinder barrels. The hot coolant from the block re-enters the water pump, and hits the other side of the 2-way thermostat, where it is either re-circulated back through the engine or directed to the radiator, depending on temperature.

The main concept behind reverse flow cooling is to cool the heads first, which greatly reduces the tendency for detonation, and is the primary reason that the LT1 can run 10.5 to 1 compression and fairly significant ignition advance on modern lead-free gasoline. Reverse flow cooling is THE KEY to the Generation II LT1s increased power, durability, and reliability over the first generation small-block engine.


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All LT1 engines utilize a special 2-way acting full bypass thermostat. This means that the thermostat regulates coolant flow both in to as well as out of the engine, while the bypass portion of the thermostat circuit supplies the water pump with a full flow of liquid coolant at all times. This is unlike a conventional engine thermostat, which only regulates coolant flow at the engine outlet, and which does not allow full flow through the water pump when the engine is cold and the thermostat is in bypass mode.

Both sides of the 2-way thermostat used in the LT1 are linked together, and a single wax pellet actuator operates the spring-loaded mechanism at a pre-set temperature. When the designated temperature is reached, the wax pellet expands, opening the dual acting valve. All current LT1s come from the factory with a relatively low 180-degree temperature thermostat. Most conventional engines today use 195-degree thermostats in order to meet emissions specifications at the expense of power, durability, and reliability.

It is important to note that the 2-way thermostat is unique to the Generation II LT1 and is not interchangeable with older Chevrolet small block engines. This is particularly important if you decide to change to a colder 160-degree thermostat, make sure it is the proper dual acting type required by the modern LT1.
 
Okay ..that answers a few of my numbskull questions. Very odd cooling design. You tied it all back into oil temps ..which was something I lost sight of.


I do thank you for your patience with the challenged.
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I'm more familiar with pre-computer cars, granted , but I remember the cutaway in HOT ROD back in about '92 for the "new" LT1.

Torque convertor slip and lean fuel curve are what I think of after coolant problems.

I ran 0W-40 Mobil One in our I6-242 Cherokee and LC-20/FP-60 knocked the numbers back into a better range. (UOA posted)
 
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