MK7 VW GTI Camshaft Scoring?

I know of a 120K mile CRV that needed a timing set, and everyone always says the newer engines last longer than the older 60's models did? :ROFLMAO: :unsure:

Chances are, your 120k mile CR-V probably had the oil changed every 7500 to 10k miles, while your 60's whatever had its oil changed every 3k miles, and probably didn't come with a chain tensioner, AND probably had 1/5 as many links in its chain.
 
The timing chain and timing chain cover service and resealing the valve cover was done at 115k, about 5k before the noise started. The most recent oil change and dsg/differential service was done about a month before the noise developed at near 120k.

If there were excess sealant and part of one of the oil screens that broke off and caused this, where would the material have landed? Is it going to continue to cause problems?
 
The timing chain and timing chain cover service and resealing the valve cover was done at 115k, about 5k before the noise started. The most recent oil change and dsg/differential service was done about a month before the noise developed at near 120k.

If there were excess sealant and part of one of the oil screens that broke off and caused this, where would the material have landed? Is it going to continue to cause problems?
Did they use RTV or anaerobic?
 
It is my understanding that some light scoring on the cam girdle cover isn't exactly uncommon on these engines.

My guess is that either the screen on the cam bridge caused the cam failure (some guys remove them, period, for this reason) or too much sealant was used and it starved the cam of oil.
We do tons of gen 1/gen 2 TSI’s for upper reseals/chains and it’s not abnormal to see cam wear, especially on cars going 10k+ OCIs, it’s funny though cause the valve trains are always spotless. The cam covers don’t seem to leak that often on the gen 3s so it’s just timing chain/timing cover replacement/reseal so I can’t comment on a ton on the wear on those particular engines.
 
No, anaerobic was the original sealant then it was revised to RTV.

Some people are still using anaerobic since they’re unaware of the change.
Forget the change to RTV with these engines. RTV is the worst thing you could think of using, it not only causes big problems if any gets into the head and subsequently into the pan but it also increase cam bearing clearance slightly. The VW/Audi green anaerobic is not that great either. EL-LIQ 74 is well proven for safely sealing the cam girdle. There is no cam bridge screen on this engine, I would suspect RTV damage.

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Forget the change to RTV with these engines. RTV is the worst thing you could think of using, it not only causes big problems if any gets into the head and subsequently into the pan but it also increase cam bearing clearance slightly. The VW/Audi green anaerobic is not that great either. EL-LIQ 74 is well proven for safely sealing the cam girdle. There is no cam bridge screen on this engine, I would suspect RTV damage.

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Interesting to read. Makes sense that it would increase clearance. Just pulled my head apart, it was sealed with a very thin bead of RTV and there is scoring on the intake cam I can feel with my nail, so I'm replacing it (with a freshly rebuilt head). Maybe that's related, maybe not, but the plan was to use anaerobic this time anyway.
 
There are a lot of small screens in these engines, it does not take much to clog one or more and cause oil starvation issues especially to the head and balance shafts. IIRC there are 8 screens in the balance shafts (4ea) 1 in the vacuum pump, 1 in the oil pump, depending on the engine code 2 in the VVT system and possible a few others I cant think of at the moment.
Scoring of the cam is usually due to oil starvation. When I do these I usually yank the engine, it makes life so much easier, pull the chains and guides etc, pull the pump and check the screen. Replace the rear main seal with a billet framed one, if you find RTV debris replace the balance shafts and sprocket with new screens. Whatever you do or don't do change the oil every 3-4K and use spec synthetic oil.
 
Forget the change to RTV with these engines. RTV is the worst thing you could think of using, it not only causes big problems if any gets into the head and subsequently into the pan but it also increase cam bearing clearance slightly. The VW/Audi green anaerobic is not that great either. EL-LIQ 74 is well proven for safely sealing the cam girdle. There is no cam bridge screen on this engine, I would suspect RTV damage.

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Not sure if I agree with that. There have been many revisions to the EA888. Your advice may be accurate on the early ones, but the later models are designed to be sealed with RTV.
 
There are a lot of small screens in these engines, it does not take much to clog one or more and cause oil starvation issues especially to the head and balance shafts. IIRC there are 8 screens in the balance shafts (4ea) 1 in the vacuum pump, 1 in the oil pump, depending on the engine code 2 in the VVT system and possible a few others I cant think of at the moment.
Scoring of the cam is usually due to oil starvation. When I do these I usually yank the engine, it makes life so much easier, pull the chains and guides etc, pull the pump and check the screen. Replace the rear main seal with a billet framed one, if you find RTV debris replace the balance shafts and sprocket with new screens. Whatever you do or don't do change the oil every 3-4K and use spec synthetic oil.
Shafts are a bit simpler nowadays (at least gen3), the oil pump has a screen on the bottom AND on the top, and yep, 1 per cam on the spool valves. I don't remember any others besides the vac pump (have torn apart and rebuilt the whole thing).

Not sure if I agree with that. There have been many revisions to the EA888. Your advice may be accurate on the early ones, but the later models are designed to be sealed with RTV.
I've also heard rumors that the Mk7.5 Gen3 motors come with RTV but the oem sealant that comes up in ELSA/partslink for my 2019 VIN is anaerobic. There was a rumor floating around that the part was superceded by RTV but that's not true as far as I know from parts databases and dealer techs.
 
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Yes anaerobic on gen 1, 2, 3 EA888 engines.
Not sure if I agree with that. There have been many revisions to the EA888. Your advice may be accurate on the early ones, but the later models are designed to be sealed with RTV.
There is no reason to use RTV on the girdle on the early or late engines. RTV has been the root cause of so many problems with these and other engines. I genuinely hate that crap and only use it when absolutely necessary.
Subaru had their share of problems with RTV also. Even though Subaru specs RTV for the oil pumps only a fool would use it instead of an anaerobic.
 
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