Microsoft claims AI diagnostic tool can outperform doctors

AI will someday be able to do complex surgeries, with surgeons in real time monitoring remotely if required.
What that means is people will be able to get medical help faster than having to be transported even to other countries.

AI super intelligence is coming by 2030 is what I have read.

Some of that Sci-Fi movie stuff is just a few years away.
 
csandste said:
I'm eighty, diabetic, had a gastric resection at 25. About six months before Tagamet was introduced so I've always thought the surgeon wanted to grab a boat payment before retiring or being blunted by pharmaceuticals. His quote to me as they rolled me in was "I've been doing this operation since 1923. When I get done with you you'll be able to drive a semi through your duodenum." Major problem is upchucking bile from my small intestine into my lungs. Not a pleasant way to die. Of course, the purpose of a specialist only concerned with diabetes is to keep my A1C under 7, no matter the risks, cause they're rewarded for meeting the performance numbers. To do this they will problably want to get me one of the new injectables that screw around with my digestion.

I asked both Perplexity and Google Gemini if my fears were well founded and their response was that yes indeed, I had valid reasons for concern. I have two succinct AI recommendations which I will forward to both my endocrinologist and primary. The days of doing what the doctor says with no questions asked is long over, IMO. They're no better than mechanics and service advisors. Modern medicine with its "performance rewards" and pay for stuff done is no different than my hanging around my Kia dealer asking my service advisor what needs to be done. Thank you AI for reinforcing my fears.
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I agree with the primary directive...
Wife had BC a few years ago...the type, and treatment are 92% successful for lifetime remission with no further treatment.

Oncologist, focussed on BC, pushed her onto Tamoxifan - reduces you risj by 10%...we had bitter arguments...wife ended up with hyperplasia, which can lead to cancer, and we only got the good new that might be resolved last week.

So take 1,000 women, 920 of which will never see BC....and give them that drug.
* 928 will never see BC again, and improvement of 0.8% (but to the oncologist, a risk reduction of 10%, 8/80)
* 48 will have an endometrial cancer
* 20 something will get osteoporosis.
* 20 something will develop cataracts.
 
To be honest, it’s a series of questions and answers with followed by some simple observations and possibly a series of tests ordered. AI can handle everything except perhaps hitting your kneecaps with an hammer, but that may come as well.
 
Drive by wire systems means a computer will be able to drive a vehicle, and with AI all vehicles can be linked, the AI will know the intentions of all the surrounding vehicles in traffic and determine safer traffic flow. Accident rates likely to drop a lot. You will get in and tell the AI where you want to go, it will calculate the route and get you there with little input from you.
 
Shannow said:
Been following this for over a decade...it's a good thing

In the early days, they pumped case files into machine learning, and quickly it became more accurate than doctors (medical system kills hundreds of thousands, just doing business)...detecteed incorrectly prescribed drugs and interactions, and even could forwarn of bipolar epsodes before they were even diagnosed.

So a computre that's not fatigued, getting divorced, looking for a new Mercedes...I think that's great. Better diagnosis, less mistakes.

If I'm in a car crash...I want a person/team.
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I would add that, in your crash example, what if there is no Doctor team available? AI may (or will?) be able to advise and assist other medical personnel, or even bystanders, to save your life.
 
Brilliant niece did a start up that uses cel phone camera pics and AI to diagnose skin abnormalities. Found out the only way to break into the medical field was to use it as a service to refer to dermatologists.

The AI is currently almost an order of magnitude better than doctors in diagnosing skin conditions. Current laws do not allow it to be used as a stand alone service. The benefit now is if there is a serious problem the 6 month wait goes out the window and you can get right in.
 
JeffKeryk said:
Sad, but true. Hopefully AI can greatly reduce medical costs and get people some relief.
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As a nation if we took care of our bodies, ate the right foods, and maintained our correct weight, hands down people would get relief.

Our system is burdened with unhealthy habits. AI will help but it’s a losing battle the way and type of foods we eat
 
alarmguy said:
As a nation if we took care of our bodies, ate the right foods, and maintained our correct weight, hands down people would get relief.

Our system is burdened with unhealthy habits. AI will help but it’s a losing battle the way and type of foods we eat
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It's the American way -- work hard, wear out your body, eat junk, and hope that a pill or surgery is going to fix your issues.
 
From what I can see most doctors don't wanna work more than 20 hrs/week. They definitely don't work Fridays and they're booked months or even years out.

So, they should be thrilled. Now they can work even less.

My dad was recently referred to a large medical center three hours away. The local physician said this was URGENT or paralysis was a real concern. The specialist at that center said he disagreed and was simply not going to come in on his days off for this. My folks had to travel further to find the next specialist -- turns out Mayo in PHX said the local physician was absolutely correct when they got in there.

So, if AI can eventually bring a (mechanized) specialized surgeon or field expert to every small town, great!
 
About a medical AI, they would all be of the same mind or similar, always at peak knowledge and work in places where human doctors don't want to. Salary, getting paid, would not be their motivation. AI can learn on it's own and AI robots can be uploaded. Nvidia is working on AI robots that can be instantly taught how to perform tasks whereas a human has to learn everything. An AI robot could be instantly replaced. Right now robotics is primitive stage, like toddlers or young children. NVidia may become the first 10 trillion dollar market capitalization company. Meaning its valuation will go up 2.5 times higher.
 
buster said:
Source: FT 06.30.25

I believe they're also doing surgeries now.

Microsoft claims AI diagnostic tool can outperform doctors​

Research is first initiative from Big Tech group’s AI health unit formed by ex-DeepMind co-founder Mustafa Suleyman

Microsoft has built an artificial intelligence-powered medical tool it claims is four times more successful than human doctors at diagnosing complex ailments, as the tech giant unveils research it believes could speed up treatment.

Microsoft’s new system is underpinned by a so-called “orchestrator” that creates virtual panels of five AI agents acting as “doctors” — each with a distinct role, such as coming up with hypotheses or choosing diagnostic tests — which interact and “debate” together to choose a course of action.To test its capabilities, “MAI-DxO” was fed 304 studies from the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) that describe how some of the most complicated cases were solved by doctors.

Microsoft used leading large language models from OpenAI, Meta, Anthropic, Google, xAI and DeepSeek. The orchestrator made all LLMs perform better, but worked best with OpenAI’s o3 reasoning model to correctly solve 85.5 per cent of the NEJM cases.That compared with about 20 per cent by experienced human doctors, but those physicians were not allowed access to textbooks or to ask colleagues in the trial, which could have increased their success rate.

Suleyman said Microsoft is nearing “AI models that are not just a little bit better, but dramatically better, than human performance: faster, cheaper and four times more accurate”.“That is going to be truly transformative,” he added.

The AI models were also prompted to be cost-conscious, which significantly cut the number of tests required to get to a correct diagnosis in the trial, saving hundreds of thousands of dollars in some cases, he said. However, King stressed that the technology was still in its early stages, had not been peer reviewed and was not yet ready for a clinical environment. “This is a landmark study,” said Eric Topol, a cardiologist and founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute. “While this work was not done in the setting of real world medical practice, it is the first to provide evidence for the efficiency potential of generative AI in medicine — accuracy and cost savings.”
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I can outperform my doctor(s). Haven't seen my PCP in a long time. I can handle everything myself plus internet search if necessary. It works.
 
csandste said:
I'm eighty, diabetic, had a gastric resection at 25. About six months before Tagamet was introduced so I've always thought the surgeon wanted to grab a boat payment before retiring or being blunted by pharmaceuticals. His quote to me as they rolled me in was "I've been doing this operation since 1923. When I get done with you you'll be able to drive a semi through your duodenum." Major problem is upchucking bile from my small intestine into my lungs. Not a pleasant way to die. Of course, the purpose of a specialist only concerned with diabetes is to keep my A1C under 7, no matter the risks, cause they're rewarded for meeting the performance numbers. To do this they will problably want to get me one of the new injectables that screw around with my digestion.

I asked both Perplexity and Google Gemini if my fears were well founded and their response was that yes indeed, I had valid reasons for concern. I have two succinct AI recommendations which I will forward to both my endocrinologist and primary. The days of doing what the doctor says with no questions asked is long over, IMO. They're no better than mechanics and service advisors. Modern medicine with its "performance rewards" and pay for stuff done is no different than my hanging around my Kia dealer asking my service advisor what needs to be done. Thank you AI for reinforcing my fears.
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Small intestine? Are you sure? I thought that the bile was produced in the liver and then stored in the gallbladder. Ask me how I know. Had my gallbladder removed about 15 yrs ago.
 
Oh the wonders of AI. The dreams will be sold to the masses and all our troubles will be solved by it. I’m sure that’s exactly how it’s going to play out.

BTW, what happened to the cheap and abundant nuclear energy all dreamed about in the 50s and 60s?

Now we’re being sold cheap and abundant health care…
 
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