Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Pinoak
Yeah looking at the blown up pic it looks like it left the impression all around. Could be that the ultra media just doesn't preform any better than average.
Highly doubt that for multiple other indicators (ie, ISO 4548-12 rating, other PCs of Ultras). Inconsistency of PCs can be caused by many things. The impression around the end cap gasket is definitely weaker in one area compared to the rest of the sealing impression. The filter still holding oil when cut open isn't an indicator of that end cap seal performing perfectly or not.
They are pretty much ALL like that, they always have a lighter impression in the area between the leafs, same goes for A02, TG, PH.
I trust my PC data, my sample method was sound, the test repeated fairly shortly afterward. Within the margin of error for the test the ISO cleanliness code is what this particular Ultra produced.
Now we can argue the filter was bad, or the sample method was bad, or everyone else sample method is bad. But we don't really know, it may be that most of the other counts I've run across are a relatively few miles, maybe the oil is cleaner because its newer... We may find that the HAMP does even worse which would still align with your hypothesis...
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Heres the filter that I pulled the PC counts on:
Cut Open Fram XG7317 - 12,045 mi
Here is the D+
Bosch Distance Plus D3323 and Particle Count
Here is the factory filter (he did run a filter mag)
Particle count testing of various oil filters
FWIW
So I'm wondering if Blackstone still uses the same PC test method they did back 8~9 years ago? Jim Allen had a post in one of those threads explaining their PC test methodology. Sounds like back then at least they didn't use any kind of actual particle optical counting devices like used in the ISO 4548-12 test. Not sure what Blackstone uses these day to do PC testing.
I will ask, I believe I read that their machine that forced the oil through pores broke and they are optical counting now, but I'm not positive.
Originally Posted by Pinoak
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Pinoak
Yeah looking at the blown up pic it looks like it left the impression all around. Could be that the ultra media just doesn't preform any better than average.
Highly doubt that for multiple other indicators (ie, ISO 4548-12 rating, other PCs of Ultras). Inconsistency of PCs can be caused by many things. The impression around the end cap gasket is definitely weaker in one area compared to the rest of the sealing impression. The filter still holding oil when cut open isn't an indicator of that end cap seal performing perfectly or not.
If that's the case then fram should address the problem. Maybe think about moving away from the leaf spring/bypass combo.
I thought intially that the far center area of the ring looked less prominent. After seeing the blown up pic it just looks like it's do to lighting and angle. Also Duck Ryder the one that cut it open and inspected it said it looked good. It sounds like he's not the type to overlook something like that.
It may be simply that the ultra media is just average in efficiency. All the more reason to buy up any of those remaining MGs if one is looking for extra fine filtering.
I don't think there is anything "wrong" with that filter, guess we will see when the HAMP test comes back what the relative efficiency was.
I realize we are pretty far off topic here, apologies.