Has anyone ran these tires? Do you like them? I am getting a pair on my Ford Focus to improve my gas mileage. I have Michelin Harmony's right now and two of them are worn-out. Has any ran these on a non-hybrid car, if so what was the fuel mileage increase? Michelin claims 8 percent better. I have a dedicated set of snow tires for this car which are Michelin X-ice Xi2's so winter traction is not a concern.
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Michelin Energy Saver A/S
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yeah, i have been there but there is only three reviews and they are not very detailed.
Well, Michelin generally makes excellent tires. Even the cheap ones are usually above average in the price segment, and I cannot think of a reason that these would be any different.
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Yeah they are a little more expensive, but I get a discount for working for a tire company.
I am looking at the same tires.... sort of. I notice the Michelin Hydroedge with Green X also claim low rolling resistance, and a treadwear rating of 800.
Their survey results show excellent wet/dry/snow traction.
The A/S Energy saver has only 9/32 tread (instead of 11/32) and a treadwear rating of 480, a considerable loss.
I am currently running the Michelin Energy LX4, I notice the consumer survey lists their traction in wet/snow to be in the average to poor category, and I would concur. Not terrible, but certainly not as good as other tires. I remain concerned about compromises that may be made in the name of gas mileage.
I think I will go with the better treadwear rating and the proven traction of the Hydroedge- and probably run the pressure up near 40 psi and take what ever mileage gains occur at that pressure. I will be curious to see what you decide after you look at all the alternatives.
Their survey results show excellent wet/dry/snow traction.
The A/S Energy saver has only 9/32 tread (instead of 11/32) and a treadwear rating of 480, a considerable loss.
I am currently running the Michelin Energy LX4, I notice the consumer survey lists their traction in wet/snow to be in the average to poor category, and I would concur. Not terrible, but certainly not as good as other tires. I remain concerned about compromises that may be made in the name of gas mileage.
I think I will go with the better treadwear rating and the proven traction of the Hydroedge- and probably run the pressure up near 40 psi and take what ever mileage gains occur at that pressure. I will be curious to see what you decide after you look at all the alternatives.
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I am going with the Michelin Energy Saver A/S's. I already ordered the Energy savers. Just wanted to hear what other people thought of them. Where did you see there wet/snow traction to be poor, the tire rack didn't say this did they? Also I think the hydroedge would have better wet traction but I don't beleive it would have better snow traction. Snow traction is not an issue for me because I have a dedicated set of snow tires which are michelins x ice xi2's. Do you have snow tires or would you be running the hydroedges year round. Another thing I considered was how many miles I drive per year. The hydroedges are rated for 90,000 miles which is good but If you don't drive a decent amount of miles the tires may start the weather check before you wear them out. With me having snows that means I put less miles on my all-seasons. Either tire would be a GREAT choice but I like to try new tires that not many people have. What type of vehicle do you have? I will post a review of them after I put them on. Do you think it is too early to take my snow's off?
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I am going with the Michelin Energy Saver A/S's. I already ordered the Energy savers. Just wanted to hear what other people thought of them. Where did you see there wet/snow traction to be poor, the tire rack didn't say this did they? Also I think the hydroedge would have better wet traction but I don't beleive it would have better snow traction. Snow traction is not an issue for me because I have a dedicated set of snow tires which are michelins x ice xi2's. Do you have snow tires or would you be running the hydroedges year round. Another thing I considered was how many miles I drive per year. The hydroedges are rated for 90,000 miles which is good but If you don't drive a decent amount of miles the tires may start the weather check before you wear them out. With me having snows that means I put less miles on my all-seasons. Either tire would be a GREAT choice but I like to try new tires that not many people have. What type of vehicle do you have? I will post a review of them after I put them on. Do you think it is too early to take my snow's off?
What you say makes sense. Why buy tires that might last for 90k miles if it takes too many years to rack up those miles? Wear becomes less of an issue. I also use winter tires, Blizzak WS-50's currently, and I just bought some Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires. I would have considered the Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires but they do not come in the size I need. I think the other poster said the Michelin Energy LX4 had poor ratings for wet/snow conditions, not the new Energy Savers. My winter tires are worn down to the point they need replacing and I plan to get a few more miles out of them before putting my other rims/tires on for summer. Otherwise I'd change them out. I think we're about done with the snow in MI. Typically my formula for when to change is to wait until the 10 day forcast goes into April a few days (about now) and if I don't see any cold/snowy weather coming up I change over. Depends on the car and summer tires however. If it is FWD and has good all seasons for the summer then I'd switch. With my wife, who is not the best RWD driver, who is driving out RWD wagon with a limited slip rear end I prefer to leave the Blizzak's on that one a bit longer just to be safe in case we get a bit of slippery weather. I'll probably wait until mid-April for the wagon. The Grand Prix I'd change out right now if I didn't want to get my monies worth out of the Blizzaks. I just wore through the super soft compound this winter and they still seem fine in the snow but definitely lost some traction in the ice. Still as good as any all-season however. 9+ years old and 40k+ miles. Not bad. The best wear I've ever gotten out of a set of Blizzaks.
I am going with the Michelin Energy Saver A/S's. I already ordered the Energy savers. Just wanted to hear what other people thought of them. Where did you see there wet/snow traction to be poor, the tire rack didn't say this did they? Also I think the hydroedge would have better wet traction but I don't beleive it would have better snow traction. Snow traction is not an issue for me because I have a dedicated set of snow tires which are michelins x ice xi2's. Do you have snow tires or would you be running the hydroedges year round. Another thing I considered was how many miles I drive per year. The hydroedges are rated for 90,000 miles which is good but If you don't drive a decent amount of miles the tires may start the weather check before you wear them out. With me having snows that means I put less miles on my all-seasons. Either tire would be a GREAT choice but I like to try new tires that not many people have. What type of vehicle do you have? I will post a review of them after I put them on. Do you think it is too early to take my snow's off?
What you say makes sense. Why buy tires that might last for 90k miles if it takes too many years to rack up those miles? Wear becomes less of an issue. I also use winter tires, Blizzak WS-50's currently, and I just bought some Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires. I would have considered the Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires but they do not come in the size I need. I think the other poster said the Michelin Energy LX4 had poor ratings for wet/snow conditions, not the new Energy Savers. My winter tires are worn down to the point they need replacing and I plan to get a few more miles out of them before putting my other rims/tires on for summer. Otherwise I'd change them out. I think we're about done with the snow in MI. Typically my formula for when to change is to wait until the 10 day forcast goes into April a few days (about now) and if I don't see any cold/snowy weather coming up I change over. Depends on the car and summer tires however. If it is FWD and has good all seasons for the summer then I'd switch. With my wife, who is not the best RWD driver, who is driving out RWD wagon with a limited slip rear end I prefer to leave the Blizzak's on that one a bit longer just to be safe in case we get a bit of slippery weather. I'll probably wait until mid-April for the wagon. The Grand Prix I'd change out right now if I didn't want to get my monies worth out of the Blizzaks. I just wore through the super soft compound this winter and they still seem fine in the snow but definitely lost some traction in the ice. Still as good as any all-season however. 9+ years old and 40k+ miles. Not bad. The best wear I've ever gotten out of a set of Blizzaks.
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I wish the energy savers were made more sizes too. I was happy that they made them in my stock size for my focus though. I talked to some michelin reps at the Detroit Auto show and they said they were going to come out with more sizes but they only new size I've seen since was 225/50R17.
Have you thought of what snow tires you will go with next winter. Maybe the NEW Blizzak WS-70's?
http://wot.motortrend.com/6618374/auto-n...0/photo_02.html
Have you thought of what snow tires you will go with next winter. Maybe the NEW Blizzak WS-70's?
http://wot.motortrend.com/6618374/auto-n...0/photo_02.html
Tire Rack does not yet have owner survey information on the Energy Saver A/S, so will wait for that , and your future posts!
Yes, it will take a while to put 90,000 miles on the Hydroedge, but its nice to know you might have good tread depth for maybe 50,000 miles.
Yes, we also run Xi-2 Michelins on one car in the winter (the commuter Corolla) but the Sienna has not yet acquired winter tires. Actually, wet slithery boat ramps are my nearly daily challenge, I am pulling a 5,000 lb boat/trailer from the river 4 days a week in a near-commercial operation.
My older tow vehicle - a 3900 lb Lumina APV with Yokohama TRZ's just rips the boat out of the water. The 4500 lb Sienna gets the job done, but the Michelin Energy's offer way less traction even though they are on a heavier vehicle.
Thus my primary concern is summer wet traction....
My experience with these tires largely mimics the Tire Racks owners surveys.... I am reluctant to purchase "unknown tires"!
Yes, it will take a while to put 90,000 miles on the Hydroedge, but its nice to know you might have good tread depth for maybe 50,000 miles.
Yes, we also run Xi-2 Michelins on one car in the winter (the commuter Corolla) but the Sienna has not yet acquired winter tires. Actually, wet slithery boat ramps are my nearly daily challenge, I am pulling a 5,000 lb boat/trailer from the river 4 days a week in a near-commercial operation.
My older tow vehicle - a 3900 lb Lumina APV with Yokohama TRZ's just rips the boat out of the water. The 4500 lb Sienna gets the job done, but the Michelin Energy's offer way less traction even though they are on a heavier vehicle.
Thus my primary concern is summer wet traction....
My experience with these tires largely mimics the Tire Racks owners surveys.... I am reluctant to purchase "unknown tires"!
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FordFocus
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If summer wet traction is primary then yeah hydroedge would be better. I work for a tire shop so I like try new tires that we don't sell everyday like coopers. I have always had good experience with Michelin's so I am not too worried.
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I wish the energy savers were made more sizes too. I was happy that they made them in my stock size for my focus though. I talked to some michelin reps at the Detroit Auto show and they said they were going to come out with more sizes but they only new size I've seen since was 225/50R17.
Have you thought of what snow tires you will go with next winter. Maybe the NEW Blizzak WS-70's?
http://wot.motortrend.com/6618374/auto-n...0/photo_02.html
I had not even heard of the WS-70's yet. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I've read a million reviews, tests, etc. but part of my problem is not what is better on ice/snow. What works best overall? One gripe I have is the significant wet/dry grip loss I've always experienced with Blizzaks. They have gotten better but they still cause significant loss of traction on the surfaces I still deal with most in MI winters, wet/dry roads. I'm seriously thinking of going with a performance winter tire this time. I wouldn't try it on my wagon since it is pretty tail happy but I think I'll give it a try on my Grand Prix. My other dilema is that I'd like to find a tire made in the USA. Tough to do with a winter tire. The only one I've found that interests me is the Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW2. They get great comments about snow and slush traction and stability. Ice traction probably won't compare to a dedicated ice tire like the WS-60, WS-70, or X-ice Xi2's but I think I might be willing to give some of that up to get improved performance on the conditions that are most likely to give me a problem. Slush on the interstates is probably the one thing that is most likely to give me a problem since it is inconsistent depending on traffic and the amount of salt dumped on the snow. Good snow traction keeps me from getting stuck in my driveway or the country roads near my house. I think the GW2's will work fine in those conditions. They should also give me wet/dry performance equal to or better than my summer all seasons. Ice will be the most notable negative but the trade off should be worth it. We'll see.
I wish the energy savers were made more sizes too. I was happy that they made them in my stock size for my focus though. I talked to some michelin reps at the Detroit Auto show and they said they were going to come out with more sizes but they only new size I've seen since was 225/50R17.
Have you thought of what snow tires you will go with next winter. Maybe the NEW Blizzak WS-70's?
http://wot.motortrend.com/6618374/auto-n...0/photo_02.html
I had not even heard of the WS-70's yet. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I've read a million reviews, tests, etc. but part of my problem is not what is better on ice/snow. What works best overall? One gripe I have is the significant wet/dry grip loss I've always experienced with Blizzaks. They have gotten better but they still cause significant loss of traction on the surfaces I still deal with most in MI winters, wet/dry roads. I'm seriously thinking of going with a performance winter tire this time. I wouldn't try it on my wagon since it is pretty tail happy but I think I'll give it a try on my Grand Prix. My other dilema is that I'd like to find a tire made in the USA. Tough to do with a winter tire. The only one I've found that interests me is the Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW2. They get great comments about snow and slush traction and stability. Ice traction probably won't compare to a dedicated ice tire like the WS-60, WS-70, or X-ice Xi2's but I think I might be willing to give some of that up to get improved performance on the conditions that are most likely to give me a problem. Slush on the interstates is probably the one thing that is most likely to give me a problem since it is inconsistent depending on traffic and the amount of salt dumped on the snow. Good snow traction keeps me from getting stuck in my driveway or the country roads near my house. I think the GW2's will work fine in those conditions. They should also give me wet/dry performance equal to or better than my summer all seasons. Ice will be the most notable negative but the trade off should be worth it. We'll see.
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I just installed my energy saver a/s's today. They balanced really good and they ride very smoothly. I only put two on because I have to Michelin harmonies that still have good tread on them. I plan to put two more on next spring. I can't wait to see what my mileage is on my next couple of tanks.
Is there a way to post pics?
Is there a way to post pics?
Yes, please post pics! I'm interested in feedback on those tires also! I'd be buying in 195/65R15 size. There is a way to post pictures. Click the "Switch to Full Reply Screen" button when you reply, and there's an icon there to post a picture. You have to have the picture on the internets already, like on a photo server like Photobucket, etc.
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http://s818.photobucket.com/albums/zz107/2000FordFocus/
I hope this works. I just set up a photobucket account today.
I hope this works. I just set up a photobucket account today.
Thanks. Those look real nice. Makes me want them even more.
And now for the bad news: Michelin Hydroedge Green X, top rated in its class is temporarily out of production heavily backordered according to both the TireRack and Discount Tires Direct! Production to resume in late April.
The commuter Corolla will get new Yokohama TRZ's based on past experience with them - as I really do not want to run the Michelin Xi-2's until May. The Sienna will wait until summer for Hydroedges.
The commuter Corolla will get new Yokohama TRZ's based on past experience with them - as I really do not want to run the Michelin Xi-2's until May. The Sienna will wait until summer for Hydroedges.
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I just looked and 195/65R15 and 215/65R16 Hydroedges don't appear to be backored from the tirerack if those are the sizes you have.
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The commuter Corolla will get new Yokohama TRZ's based on past experience with them - as I really do not want to run the Michelin Xi-2's until May.
What size do you need? 195/65R15? I've got those TRZs on mine, with about 8-9/32" on them, and I wouldn't mind selling them. They are perfect in every way, just a little too firm for me. I was going to wait until Christmas and make the change then. But if you are interested in them, PM me.
The commuter Corolla will get new Yokohama TRZ's based on past experience with them - as I really do not want to run the Michelin Xi-2's until May.
What size do you need? 195/65R15? I've got those TRZs on mine, with about 8-9/32" on them, and I wouldn't mind selling them. They are perfect in every way, just a little too firm for me. I was going to wait until Christmas and make the change then. But if you are interested in them, PM me.
185/65-15's for the Corolla, and I already ordered the TRZ's.
As soon as I tried to order either size in the Hydroedge Green X the website indicated no tires available.
I called both places to verify, identical information from both.
The Sienna can easily wait..... boat towing season begins May first, 4 days a week after that. The original Michelin Energy tires are hard and slippery but get the job done anyway.
Comparing my old APV with 3 year old TRZ's in the snow to the Sienna with Michelin Energy's, side by side two years ago.... no contest!! The TireRacks survey seems to agree, the Energy is not much good in rain or snow, so will wait for Hydroedges!
As soon as I tried to order either size in the Hydroedge Green X the website indicated no tires available.
I called both places to verify, identical information from both.
The Sienna can easily wait..... boat towing season begins May first, 4 days a week after that. The original Michelin Energy tires are hard and slippery but get the job done anyway.
Comparing my old APV with 3 year old TRZ's in the snow to the Sienna with Michelin Energy's, side by side two years ago.... no contest!! The TireRacks survey seems to agree, the Energy is not much good in rain or snow, so will wait for Hydroedges!
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