Maxlife 5W30- 2300 miles- Sudden oil level drop

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96 Saturn SL2, 98,300 miles, Purolator Premium Plus filter, Maxlife 5W30.

0 oil consumption. Then bam, when I checked it after 2k miles, suddenly drops 1/4-1/3 qt.

What the heck?

I normally have far greater oil consumption than this with Havoline or Chevron oils before I did my valve cover repair, but what can explain this sudden oil level drop?
 
Compulsively checking the oil 30+ times a day would do that I suppose..
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I didn't think Maxlife sheared very much but I'm quessing your's sheared at that mileage. On Chevron 5-30 I've seen it shear sooner than that so you may have used more Chevron as it shears to a 20 weight. Have you tried a 5-40 or 10-40
in that Saturn?
 
That would be 2/3 qt in 5000 for a car with 100k? Not an emergency to me. My wifes Toyota is just starting to use a little oil at 100k (Valvoline conventional) so I'll run maxlife next and if it still uses oil try pennzoil, castrol, havoline, mobil, etc until I find an oil that is better suited. I would recommed you do the same as you may just find a different brand that works better.
 
Michael - I think you are probably familiar with the reports we see here of oil consumption more towards the end of the OCI interval.

Indications are that the anti-oxidants and other additives that contribute to heat resistance are becoming depleted and this leads to increased volatility.

If this Saturn has problems with ring-sealing, than hot combution chamber gases are passing thru to the crankcase. You may wish to check the PCV valve & system.
 
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I don't know your driving habits, but also consider whether it was possible that moisture in the oil was elevating the level somewhat until you went on a long, hard drive to evaporate it. This would cause the oil level to "suddenly" drop.

Were you doing lots of short trips, seeing wild temperature variations etc...?

Just something to consider...

Craig.
 
A nice highway drive can "clean" the oil and burn off some gunk thats been building up in there, but with only 1/4 qt gone after 2300 miles, i'd just change the oil and not worry about it.
 
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It's a sign it's cleaning the dirty seals.




Okay, I can't restrain myself any longer - What the heck does that statement mean?
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As the old buildup gets lifted off the seals due to the conditioning process, they may temporarily become uneven in sealing strength - causing a growth in consumption at first - then eventually going back to prior or less consumption than before.

It's possible that his dirty seals had the high mieage buildup evenly distributed - thus sealing better than they are now. The conditioning process of high mileage oils can make things worse before they get better.

I am no mechanic. I used the same high mileage oil - suffered the same upwards consumption consequences - except worse than this. This is what I was told by he who performs the more difficult repairs on my vehicles.

That's why you often see me suggest "multiple" OCIs of high mileage oils to alleviate the issues that only one OCI cannot do.
 
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Consumption, as opposed to leaks, generally refers to oil volume "burned" and is generated by sticky/worn rings, leaking valve stem seals, a faulty PCV valve, anything that cycles the oil thru the the cylinders & out the exhaust system.

I'll assume your comments are directed towards the valve stem seals.
 
Here's a nice, condensed statement by Molakule on seal conditioners:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...part=3&vc=1

MolaKule on, "Seal Conditioning and Swelling."

Seals are made by molding synthetic rubbers called elastomers.

Elastomers are made by mixing a filler material with a plasiticizer, the plasticizer being a high molecular weight ester or di-ester fluid.

Under the conditions of heat and the stress of oxidation and additives, such as dispersants, seals can degrade. Sludge buildup at the seal's interface is the number one cause of seal degradation.

Seal Degradation is:
1. Plasticizer loss or change in plasticizer,
2. dimensional change through chemical attack or mechanical wear,
3. hardening due to loss of fluid's swelling agents,
4. attack by sludge.

Seal swell results in the "increase" in the lateral dimensions of the seal. Usually, the "radial" dimension of the seal is decreased. One cannot "overswell" the seal or all sealing capabilites will be lost through mechanical wear. Also please remember that, "what goes up, must come down."

Seal conditioning is the cleaning or removal of unwanted sludge and the return of some of the seals plasticizer that may have been lost. Seal conditioning should not only clean the seal, but return the seal's "pliability." The exact mechnism of returning "some" of the pliability to a seal is due to a mechanism called diffusion.

Nothing, and I repeat nothing, can return a worn or used seal to it it's original dimension nor to its original pliability.
 
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Have you checked for oil leaks?



Yup, everything is clean and dry. Even the transmission, after I fixed it!
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Compulsively checking the oil 30+ times a day would do that I suppose..



I check it 2-3 times a week.
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I didn't think Maxlife sheared very much but I'm quessing your's sheared at that mileage. On Chevron 5-30 I've seen it shear sooner than that so you may have used more Chevron as it shears to a 20 weight. Have you tried a 5-40 or 10-40
in that Saturn?



No way, daddy said OEM recommended viscosity only.
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That would be 2/3 qt in 5000 for a car with 100k? Not an emergency to me. My wifes Toyota is just starting to use a little oil at 100k (Valvoline conventional) so I'll run maxlife next and if it still uses oil try pennzoil, castrol, havoline, mobil, etc until I find an oil that is better suited. I would recommed you do the same as you may just find a different brand that works better.



From past experience, once the consumption starts, it tends to sky rocket. But this has been a completely new experience so far, as I just repaired a leak, and the consumption is much less than before already. I doubt I'll experiment with oil brands. I only use oils that cost $0.59/qt or less. Maxlife was free. After this, I'm back to my usual Chevron.

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It's a sign it's cleaning the dirty seals.



I have 2300 miles now, so I may just pop on a new oil filter and add the remaining 9 ounces of Auto-RX for a 1500 mile run.

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If this Saturn has problems with ring-sealing, than hot combution chamber gases are passing thru to the crankcase. You may wish to check the PCV valve & system.



I installed a brand new ACDelco PCV valve 500 miles into this drain. Also thoroughly cleaned the PCV system. Any other suggestions?

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I don't know your driving habits, but also consider whether it was possible that moisture in the oil was elevating the level somewhat until you went on a long, hard drive to evaporate it. This would cause the oil level to "suddenly" drop.

Were you doing lots of short trips, seeing wild temperature variations etc...?



Car sees 80-85% 1-2 mi trips. I checked the level right before I went on a 250 mile trip. Not sure what the level is now, I'll go check it later.
 
I'd read that oil drop as your Saturn's call for help.
I might try Castrol GTX or Mobil 5000 if you have to stay with 5-30. They're both around a buck on discounts and sales in NorCal and both shear far less than Chevron so at least you'll stay at 30 weight for the OCI.
 
You won't see 59 cent oil this year. Looks like 79 cent for the Kragen deals so you'll be waiting along time to do an OCI at 59 cents.
 
FWIW - my truck did the exact same thing on the Maxlife, it's first oci with maxlife after having a life of Havoline for over 155k miles.

I'm now on the 3rd oci with maxlife 10w30 versus the first run of 5w30, I'm back to where it was before, little (1/8 qt) to no usage at all. I run my oci's at 3-4k on this engine, it likes very clean oil.

Come to think of it, my 2nd run with Maxlife 5w30 warranted no usage either; so it's likely to pass.
 
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