Massachusetts - what's it like ?

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Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne


Sometimes, the personalities come shining through, even on BITOG.

You can always tell a "holier than thou" when they present themself. Ridicule is mandatory.


Describing yourself or what?
You like it so much move there. Why did you leave in the first place if its so great?


I wasnt referring to you as a "Holier than thou," Trav. I like you and your postings.

And the reasons I left were above and beyond what I had any ability to remedy. I want to go on record as stating that I LOVED it there.

And everyone loved my NY/NJ accent.
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(Sone just didnt notice, or let on that they did. Imagine that.) Others saw my Yamkees hat, and chided me lightheartedly with that oh-so-New-England (Boston) sounding of "are" as "ahhh." I like Mass.

I even visited a month ago, with my lady. We took a day trip.. in the Honda...

I still have my Charlie card and MA DL, as a matter of fact.


Trav, please acknowledge
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Many constitutional conservatives are disgusted with the two party system. And apparently many more want more government and actually fear too much freedom...



To me, "too much freedom" belongs to the top 1% who don't "work" 40 hours a week and have time to manipulate the system/ markets to their benefit. These are the guys incorporating Burger King in Canada to skip taxes. If one wants to live in a true no-rules, capitalist, anarchic state, they can move to Somalia and bribe the government there. I like to build the USA up with "fair rules of trade" so people will invest here. That doesn't mean I'm not freedom-loving.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I like to build the USA up with "fair rules of trade" so people will invest here. That doesn't mean I'm not freedom-loving.

Then lower the corporate tax rate to 14%, its that simple.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I like to build the USA up with "fair rules of trade" so people will invest here. That doesn't mean I'm not freedom-loving.


American workers get paid so much that it is unattractive to most companies to set up shop here.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Here is A list:

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BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today named the Top Ten Anti-Gunners for 2014, with billionaire Michael Bloomberg topping the list for using his wealth to buy elections in an effort to turn the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms into a heavily-regulated government privilege.

“The people on this list have worked very hard to undermine the civil rights of every American citizen who owns a firearm, or may one day want to, and they deserve vilification,” CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb said.

Bloomberg spent $50 million to create Everytown for Gun Safety, the anti-gun lobbying organization. He helped finance the Initiative 594 gun control campaign in Washington State and he is supporting a similar effort in Nevada. Others on the list are, in alphabetical order:

Paul Allen – The billionaire co-founder of Microsoft and principle owner of the Seattle Seahawks and Portland Trailblazers, he dumped a half-million dollars into the I-594 gun control campaign in Washington State.

Steve Ballmer – Another Microsoft alumni and owner of the L.A. Clippers who added more than $1 million to the I-594 effort to criminalize perfectly legal activities in the Evergreen State.

Hillary Clinton – The former First Lady and Secretary of State suggested earlier this year that gun owners “terrorize” people by vigorously defending the Second Amendment. She also supported the unratified UN Arms Trade Treaty.

Andrew Cuomo – The New York governor who championed that state’s Draconian SAFE (for Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement) Act, which is responsible for job losses in addition to penalizing every gun owner in the state.

Rahm Emanuel – The vehemently anti-gun mayor of Chicago whose administration has stubbornly resisted adoption of rational gun policies that would allow citizens to defend themselves against out-of-control violence in the Windy City.

Bill Gates – This billionaire Microsoft co-founder and his wife contributed more than $1 million to the I-594 gun control effort, thus helping to pay for one of the most insidious political campaigns in the United States.

Nick Hanauer – Another elitist Seattle-area billionaire who launched the I-594 gun control campaign and poured more than $1 million into the effort. His deplorable effort to exploit the Pilchuck High School tragedy by sarcastically suggesting that, “We need more school shootings” was an offensive new low in anti-gun politics.

Eric Holder – The outgoing U.S. attorney general fought to stall release of thousands of documents related to the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, final losing his battle in federal court this past fall.

Shannon Watts – As founder of the Bloomberg-supported Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Watts has spread disinformation about gun crime and campaigned against laws that bolster personal protection outside the home.

CCRKBA also gave “dishonorable mention” to Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe for wanting to resurrect one-gun-a-month legislation in his state, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, who both have pressed their gun control agendas, driving businesses and jobs out of their states; California Attorney General Kamala Harris, who has steadfastly defended arbitrary and discretionary concealed carry permits; former CNN commentator Piers Morgan for continuing his anti-gun rhetoric even though it forced his program’s cancellation. Also on the list, Gerald Ensley, the Tallahassee Democrat columnist who wrote in November that handguns and semiautomatic modern sporting rifles should be banned, and that the Second Amendment should be repealed; and former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote earlier this year that he would like to see the Second Amendment changed to confine the right to keep and bear arms to people serving in the military and state militia.


http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=4595


Senator Ted Cruz supported legislation that clearly violated the 24th Amendment
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Here is A list:

Quote:
BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today named the Top Ten Anti-Gunners for 2014, with billionaire Michael Bloomberg topping the list for using his wealth to buy elections in an effort to turn the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms into a heavily-regulated government privilege.

“The people on this list have worked very hard to undermine the civil rights of every American citizen who owns a firearm, or may one day want to, and they deserve vilification,” CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb said.

Bloomberg spent $50 million to create Everytown for Gun Safety, the anti-gun lobbying organization. He helped finance the Initiative 594 gun control campaign in Washington State and he is supporting a similar effort in Nevada. Others on the list are, in alphabetical order:

Paul Allen – The billionaire co-founder of Microsoft and principle owner of the Seattle Seahawks and Portland Trailblazers, he dumped a half-million dollars into the I-594 gun control campaign in Washington State.

Steve Ballmer – Another Microsoft alumni and owner of the L.A. Clippers who added more than $1 million to the I-594 effort to criminalize perfectly legal activities in the Evergreen State.

Hillary Clinton – The former First Lady and Secretary of State suggested earlier this year that gun owners “terrorize” people by vigorously defending the Second Amendment. She also supported the unratified UN Arms Trade Treaty.

Andrew Cuomo – The New York governor who championed that state’s Draconian SAFE (for Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement) Act, which is responsible for job losses in addition to penalizing every gun owner in the state.

Rahm Emanuel – The vehemently anti-gun mayor of Chicago whose administration has stubbornly resisted adoption of rational gun policies that would allow citizens to defend themselves against out-of-control violence in the Windy City.

Bill Gates – This billionaire Microsoft co-founder and his wife contributed more than $1 million to the I-594 gun control effort, thus helping to pay for one of the most insidious political campaigns in the United States.

Nick Hanauer – Another elitist Seattle-area billionaire who launched the I-594 gun control campaign and poured more than $1 million into the effort. His deplorable effort to exploit the Pilchuck High School tragedy by sarcastically suggesting that, “We need more school shootings” was an offensive new low in anti-gun politics.

Eric Holder – The outgoing U.S. attorney general fought to stall release of thousands of documents related to the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, final losing his battle in federal court this past fall.

Shannon Watts – As founder of the Bloomberg-supported Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Watts has spread disinformation about gun crime and campaigned against laws that bolster personal protection outside the home.

CCRKBA also gave “dishonorable mention” to Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe for wanting to resurrect one-gun-a-month legislation in his state, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, who both have pressed their gun control agendas, driving businesses and jobs out of their states; California Attorney General Kamala Harris, who has steadfastly defended arbitrary and discretionary concealed carry permits; former CNN commentator Piers Morgan for continuing his anti-gun rhetoric even though it forced his program’s cancellation. Also on the list, Gerald Ensley, the Tallahassee Democrat columnist who wrote in November that handguns and semiautomatic modern sporting rifles should be banned, and that the Second Amendment should be repealed; and former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote earlier this year that he would like to see the Second Amendment changed to confine the right to keep and bear arms to people serving in the military and state militia.


http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=4595


Senator Ted Cruz supported legislation that clearly violated the 24th Amendment


What poll tax legislation did he support?
 
What a referendum this thread has been on the no-politics rule.

Do the mods want to delete that rule now, or...?
 
I like how a thread about "is visiting Mass for a vacation worthwhile" derails into "we all hate Mass"...
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Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Senator Ted Cruz supported legislation that clearly violated the 24th Amendment


That's different. He's a patriot, a true American. Not like the others who weren't even born here.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
This is dragging on better than a Ford vs Chevy match.
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LOL Or a thick oil vs. a thin oil thread.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo


What poll tax legislation did he support?


Every version of photo ID that was deemed "acceptable" had to be paid for through a government agency.
Yes, I already had a driver's license. But I paid for that license. It is a poll-tax and entirely contrary to the 24th Amendment of the US Constitution.

Originally Posted By: aa1986
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Senator Ted Cruz supported legislation that clearly violated the 24th Amendment


That's different. He's a patriot, a true American. Not like the others who weren't even born here.



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I literally laughed out loud.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Pablo


What poll tax legislation did he support?


Every version of photo ID that was deemed "acceptable" had to be paid for through a government agency.
Yes, I already had a driver's license. But I paid for that license. It is a poll-tax and entirely contrary to the 24th Amendment of the US Constitution.

Originally Posted By: aa1986
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Senator Ted Cruz supported legislation that clearly violated the 24th Amendment


That's different. He's a patriot, a true American. Not like the others who weren't even born here.



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I literally laughed out loud.


A true close minded typical response and why this country is so divided. Because someone has to prove they are citizen, does not equal a poll tax. Wow. AND because people favor an orderly controlled system of immigration does not mean they are against people coming to the USA and becoming citizens. You guys are twisted all around your views of what you think conservatives are about. I think you watch too much TV.
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Originally Posted By: Finz
I'm in NJ and, although you weren't specific, Boston is my favorite city. Great bars, great restaurants, lots of history

It's an expensive place though and, even now, I get lost every single time I drive up there

Climate is on par with NY.



I would agree with this. Just a *touch* colder than Upstate NY..
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
You guys are twisted all around your views of what you think conservatives are about. I think you watch too much TV.
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Do all conservatives believe in exactly the same things? They are all over the map from what I can see, so your statement unfortunately perpetuates the division that you complain about.

I focused on one topic which was if disagreeing with the constitution or a supreme courts ruling on the constitution is an attack on the constitution, then why do many conservatives keep on disagreeing with Roe vs Wade? Why are those people not characterized as attacking the constitution?

If you characterize other people's viewpoints as attacks and unpatriotic, but your own viewpoints as the opposite, you create an environment of division and hostility and do not even understand the first amendment.

And being steadfastly literal about the constitution, as with religion, is the actual behavior that is new and extreme. Because if you examine history, interpretation has always been required, that is why there is a supreme court.
 
Originally Posted By: aa1986

Do all conservatives believe in exactly the same things? They are all over the map from what I can see, so your statement unfortunately perpetuates the division that you complain about.

I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal in many ways. You got it right all over the map.

The problem with being too far in any direction is you pin yourself into a spot that is impossible to get out of without appearing to go in the other direction, looking like you caved on the issue.
Thats a bad place to be IMHO. I rather hover in the middle so i can move around this way or the other a little if i believe that way on a certain issue without looking like a total sell out to anyone.

Of course there are issues i go in one direction more than the other but so does everyone unless they are total party loyalist who goes along to get along.
A total mixed bag of beliefs. Unfortunately today its come down to one part wanting to give the whole farm away and another one want that prefers people to have less or nothing, both want more money.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: eljefino
This is dragging on better than a Ford vs Chevy match.
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LOL Or a thick oil vs. a thin oil thread.


Ain't that the truth. I'm trying to cut back on my post count and this thread is not helping. I just wanted to say one thing and blammo, sucked in.

Originally Posted By: aa1986
Originally Posted By: Pablo
You guys are twisted all around your views of what you think conservatives are about. I think you watch too much TV.
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Do all conservatives believe in exactly the same things? They are all over the map from what I can see, so your statement unfortunately perpetuates the division that you complain about.


Wait. That's not what I said at all. Of course conservatives don't all believe the same ideals or goals. But that was not what I was saying. Meh....you guys attacked a stereotype. I pointed out this is typical. Period.

Originally Posted By: aa1986
I focused on one topic which was if disagreeing with the constitution or a supreme courts ruling on the constitution is an attack on the constitution, then why do many conservatives keep on disagreeing with Roe vs Wade? Why are those people not characterized as attacking the constitution?


This is NOT the topic at hand and I will not discuss abortion here. But will suffice to say that disagreeing with a Supreme court decision is in no way an attack on the Constitution. That is a very odd interpretation, IMHO. Almost like you are trying to stir the pot.

Originally Posted By: aa1986
If you characterize other people's viewpoints as attacks and unpatriotic, but your own viewpoints as the opposite, you create an environment of division and hostility and do not even understand the first amendment.


OK. That's a mouthful. Are you accusing me or conservatives or just the President of doing this?

Originally Posted By: aa1986
And being steadfastly literal about the constitution, as with religion, is the actual behavior that is new and extreme. Because if you examine history, interpretation has always been required, that is why there is a supreme court.


We have drifted so far from the literal meaning of our Constitution, it may seem unusual to some folks to point out such things as the reason for most all of the Constitution is to limit the power of GOVERNMENT, not PEOPLE. My earlier point is some people don't even understand this!
 
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