Yes, but wouldn't they then be exceeding their GVW's at that loading?
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Manual Transmissions And The Fun To Drive Factor...
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The GVW won't change if you're on a hill, weight is weight, but the torque required to move the load will obviously be different. This is a paper vs real world difference, as you should be able to move the load up a hill as well as on flat ground, right ? What seems to be going on is that it's so competitive among truck makers these days that they're at the limits of the components when they're spec'd, which is why an auto might work fine on level ground but not have the load handling ability to start a max load on a hill.
Makers are at least getting smarter when they defuel the autos as they've had high failure rates in the past.
Makers are at least getting smarter when they defuel the autos as they've had high failure rates in the past.
I KNOW that the GVW doesn't change all by itself on a hill.....
What I am wondering about is whether or not the truck when loaded up to the certified GVW from the manufacturer can start again once stopped on a reasonably encountered incline. Now I grant you that my question includes some assumptions within - can't be helped. But if the truck is really at or near the GVW then most people would assume that it should be able to make a go of it.
I guess that one of my concerns is the routine overloading of pickup trucks. But that ain't a manufacturer issue (unless some dealer sells a guy a light-duty truck for a heavier duty application - but that still ain't the manufacturer's problem).
Those GVW's had better be real-world applications or else there should be **** to pay. It would be interesting to read the owner's manual for these automatic-equipped heavy duty trucks concerning loaded operation... Bet that there are plenty of weasel-words contained therein!
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What I am wondering about is whether or not the truck when loaded up to the certified GVW from the manufacturer can start again once stopped on a reasonably encountered incline. Now I grant you that my question includes some assumptions within - can't be helped. But if the truck is really at or near the GVW then most people would assume that it should be able to make a go of it.
I guess that one of my concerns is the routine overloading of pickup trucks. But that ain't a manufacturer issue (unless some dealer sells a guy a light-duty truck for a heavier duty application - but that still ain't the manufacturer's problem).
Those GVW's had better be real-world applications or else there should be **** to pay. It would be interesting to read the owner's manual for these automatic-equipped heavy duty trucks concerning loaded operation... Bet that there are plenty of weasel-words contained therein!
John.
Another reason I like manuals is they seem to be more reliable. I hear so many people complainng about their auto trans and how it shifts/down shifts etc. Especially with the Rams. Dodge transmissions are brutal. Constant TSB upgrades for shift etc. Screw that, I'll decide when I think it's time to shift gears.
Don't worry about it. They have been saying that for 40+ years. Since I started driving in 1962 I have always had one manual available. For me..driving is just driving. Stick or manuao..doesn't matter. Most of you will feel the same eventually.
To me stick is only "fun" if you have serious power behind it. The '69 Camaro was good. But that's about it.
Now the 6 sp. Ninja 250 is ok though.
I've been driving manual transmission vehicles since around '52 and legally since '58.My dad used to let me take the '29 Model A out in the pasture and drive it around.Nothing like straight shift.One of the few things we still have control of is to shift gears when we want.I would imagine in a few years the government will decide that we have too much control over our vehicles and require manufacturers quit making them."Under the guise of public safety"
Available,perhaps - but I have yet to meet one!
Most buyers seem to prefer the Auto, even when its "one-four" shift is widely criticized.
(Probably says more about the buyers than about the 'Vette!)
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On auto reliability, when some people at work looked at me funny when I said that I wanted a manual in my truck, a couple of Ford owners with autos said they would get a manual in their next truck. Another coworker had to have his rebuilt at about 70k miles, and when doing a web search it seemed like a common problem.
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