Mann group buys WIX
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Now, you know you should have taken a picture of it to show us what a Mann in Australia looks like!
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As per my post about the 51358, they might already.
And to further add from that thread the statement "I don't worry about the louvers at all."
Wouldn't want a tin foil hat reader to confuse the wink for implying anything nefarious 'if' the change does happen.
It would quite simply mean joining long time louver manufacturers Clarcor Baldwin/Hastings and Champ Labs, and more recently M&H Purolator and Bosch. Even the Nissan OEM filter manufacturer Gonher uses them as shown recently HERE.
In my observation though, most astute readers here realize louver phobia is much ado about nothing.
As per my post about the 51358, they might already.
And to further add from that thread the statement "I don't worry about the louvers at all."
Wouldn't want a tin foil hat reader to confuse the wink for implying anything nefarious 'if' the change does happen.
It would quite simply mean joining long time louver manufacturers Clarcor Baldwin/Hastings and Champ Labs, and more recently M&H Purolator and Bosch. Even the Nissan OEM filter manufacturer Gonher uses them as shown recently HERE.
In my observation though, most astute readers here realize louver phobia is much ado about nothing.
Probably the same as Purolator - run the name into the dirt and push the consumers elsewhere. Do it enough times and the public will be crying out for a quality filter at which point the euro market filters will be made available in the US and Mann will have taken over the filtration world.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Now, you know you should have taken a picture of it to show us what a Mann in Australia looks like!
Of course that is my plan...heading to winter here, and with my and wife's work/shop/cook schedule, you would be stuck with artificial lighting on man made indoor surfaces.
It's got end caps...made out of glue.
and a plastic cage.
Now, you know you should have taken a picture of it to show us what a Mann in Australia looks like!
Of course that is my plan...heading to winter here, and with my and wife's work/shop/cook schedule, you would be stuck with artificial lighting on man made indoor surfaces.
It's got end caps...made out of glue.
and a plastic cage.
We were heading into summer with +26°C last week. Right now looking out my window: snow flurries, -4°C tonight.
I wonder, is winter a relief from the heat of Australian summers for you folks Shannow?
I've used Mann oil and air filters on an '86 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1996 Jaguar XJR with no issues. Quality is very good in my experience. I hope German precision and long term thinking prevails with the Affinia acquisition. If not, Clarcor and Amsoil EaO are what I'll will be using.
Mann paid around a P/E ratio of 10 for Affinia, so not cheap but not insane, as Affinia has good earnings and is making a profit. Let's hope it stays that way.
I've used Mann oil and air filters on an '86 Porsche 911 Carrera and a 1996 Jaguar XJR with no issues. Quality is very good in my experience. I hope German precision and long term thinking prevails with the Affinia acquisition. If not, Clarcor and Amsoil EaO are what I'll will be using.
Mann paid around a P/E ratio of 10 for Affinia, so not cheap but not insane, as Affinia has good earnings and is making a profit. Let's hope it stays that way.
With uncertain future of EU it only makes sense. There is a lot of German capital flying around NA. With the 10 PE they must be looking at global economic expansion coming up.
"More businesses died from indigestion than starvation" - Bill Hewlett
"More businesses died from indigestion than starvation" - Bill Hewlett
Interesting point Y_K. I never thought about flight capital from the powerhouse of Europe, but it does put a different spin on things.
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Interesting point Y_K. I never thought about flight capital from the powerhouse of Europe, but it does put a different spin on things.
Despite moaning you read and hear about the economy in the USA we are still better off than most of the world and have the strongest and safest financial systems. The world's banks and companies are awash in capital with nowhere to invest, keeping interest rates super low. Now is the time to invest in something like manufacturing where you can borrow the money at near zero interest.
Interesting point Y_K. I never thought about flight capital from the powerhouse of Europe, but it does put a different spin on things.
Despite moaning you read and hear about the economy in the USA we are still better off than most of the world and have the strongest and safest financial systems. The world's banks and companies are awash in capital with nowhere to invest, keeping interest rates super low. Now is the time to invest in something like manufacturing where you can borrow the money at near zero interest.
I have a friend who works for Napa. Was talking to him the other day. He was saying that Napa contracts with OEM parts makers and rebadges them with the Napa name. In a lot of the cases, he said, the companies will either change or add the last digit on the part number for Napa, but, it was essentially the same part number.
So, he was trying to make the point that Napa has better quality parts than the other auto stores. He then started talking about oil filters, he said Napa has the better filters because they are made by Wix. Advance Auto carries Purolator, which he said, Wix is a much better filter. I told him the same company that owns Purolator just bought Wix.
We started to get into an argument. He said Advance bought out CARQUEST and that Purolator made the CARQUEST oil filters. The Wix-made Napa filters were much better, he insisted. I told him that the CARQUEST were now being made by Champion, and he responded that Champion owns Purolator.
When I tried to tell him that the company who owns Purolator (Mann) just bought Wix, no, he said, Wix was Wix.
I couldn't get him to see what I was trying to say.
So, he was trying to make the point that Napa has better quality parts than the other auto stores. He then started talking about oil filters, he said Napa has the better filters because they are made by Wix. Advance Auto carries Purolator, which he said, Wix is a much better filter. I told him the same company that owns Purolator just bought Wix.
We started to get into an argument. He said Advance bought out CARQUEST and that Purolator made the CARQUEST oil filters. The Wix-made Napa filters were much better, he insisted. I told him that the CARQUEST were now being made by Champion, and he responded that Champion owns Purolator.
When I tried to tell him that the company who owns Purolator (Mann) just bought Wix, no, he said, Wix was Wix.
I couldn't get him to see what I was trying to say.
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Originally Posted By: Sayjac
And to further add from that thread the statement "I don't worry about the louvers at all."
Wouldn't want a tin foil hat reader to confuse the wink for implying anything nefarious 'if' the change does happen.
I'd never try to stir the pot with tinfoil hat readers, you know.
Personally, I don't care if the centre tubes look like Venetian blinds, as long as they're not ecores and the media remains intact.
And to further add from that thread the statement "I don't worry about the louvers at all."
Wouldn't want a tin foil hat reader to confuse the wink for implying anything nefarious 'if' the change does happen.
I'd never try to stir the pot with tinfoil hat readers, you know.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Now, you know you should have taken a picture of it to show us what a Mann in Australia looks like!
Originally Posted By: Garak
as long as they're not ecores and the media remains intact.
Every single filter for this engine is a plastic cage.
The Mann has more ribs than I'm used to in these filters.
Now, you know you should have taken a picture of it to show us what a Mann in Australia looks like!
Originally Posted By: Garak
as long as they're not ecores and the media remains intact.
Every single filter for this engine is a plastic cage.
The Mann has more ribs than I'm used to in these filters.
That's a real German one, too. For my G37, which is a spin on, if I were hypothetically able to get a Mann, it would just be a Purolator classic.
Thats ok if they have to do that to slow the flow and stop the tearing its fine with me because i dont use them anymore.. When i sold the shop i used them but the new owner stopped using Wix already for some cheaper Chinese brand filter that says CHINA on it. Sad but true.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Thats ok if they have to do that to slow the flow and stop the tearing its fine with me because i dont use them anymore.. When i sold the shop i used them but the new owner stopped using Wix already for some cheaper Chinese brand filter that says CHINA on it. Sad but true.
If I owned a shop, I would certainly use chinese filters for the engines that were massively represented (e.g. holden V-6s and Ford Straight 6s, Camries etc.).
I was messing around a few years ago, and was in communication with a Chinese filter manufacturer...using South Korean brand named filter media, I could have 500 filters made up and packaged "Shannow Brand" of the type in the photo for $1.06US per item FOB.
Thats ok if they have to do that to slow the flow and stop the tearing its fine with me because i dont use them anymore.. When i sold the shop i used them but the new owner stopped using Wix already for some cheaper Chinese brand filter that says CHINA on it. Sad but true.
If I owned a shop, I would certainly use chinese filters for the engines that were massively represented (e.g. holden V-6s and Ford Straight 6s, Camries etc.).
I was messing around a few years ago, and was in communication with a Chinese filter manufacturer...using South Korean brand named filter media, I could have 500 filters made up and packaged "Shannow Brand" of the type in the photo for $1.06US per item FOB.
Before i sold the shop i used Wix and had no real problems with them a couple had to go back but otherwise they were good filters.. Before i used them i was using Purolater but changed to Wix because of all the tearing and other issues. The new owner uses a made in China filter he says is great.
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Thats ok if they have to do that to slow the flow and stop the tearing its fine with me because i dont use them anymore.....
I wasn't aware that the topic filter, Wix had tear issues, hadn't seen them posted. Or even that it's proven yet they have gone to the louvered design across the line.
As for the "slow the flow" assumption, not what louvered filter maker Clacor Hastings says in their literature. Says "Louvered Centertube adds strength to resist pressure surges. The louvered design has 40% open area compared to the standard 15%, maximizing flow through, while maintaining strength."
As for using the cheaper off shored China made spin on oil filters, certainly an option. For those interested in or having a priority for getting an efficiency rating though, can't recall seeing any posted here that have an authoritative published ISO rating. Most have some vague ISO build specs on the dome only.
But even if having ISO efficiency spec not a priority, with all the reasonably priced, not to mention frequently on sale US made/based filters, one would need to decide if saving a few cents each/every time is worth it.
Thats ok if they have to do that to slow the flow and stop the tearing its fine with me because i dont use them anymore.....
I wasn't aware that the topic filter, Wix had tear issues, hadn't seen them posted. Or even that it's proven yet they have gone to the louvered design across the line.
As for the "slow the flow" assumption, not what louvered filter maker Clacor Hastings says in their literature. Says "Louvered Centertube adds strength to resist pressure surges. The louvered design has 40% open area compared to the standard 15%, maximizing flow through, while maintaining strength."
As for using the cheaper off shored China made spin on oil filters, certainly an option. For those interested in or having a priority for getting an efficiency rating though, can't recall seeing any posted here that have an authoritative published ISO rating. Most have some vague ISO build specs on the dome only.
But even if having ISO efficiency spec not a priority, with all the reasonably priced, not to mention frequently on sale US made/based filters, one would need to decide if saving a few cents each/every time is worth it.
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As for using the cheaper off shored China made spin on oil filters, certainly an option. For those interested in or having a priority for getting an efficiency rating though, can't recall seeing any posted here that have an authoritative published ISO rating. Most have some vague ISO build specs on the dome only.
The Chinese can build stuff to any quality from excellent to terrible, and to any rating. The problem is getting the manufacturer to maintain the original specs. I know of several cases where the second someone went a little lax on inspections a lower grade of material was substituted or a corner was cut in manufacturing. The attitude seems to be "that's business" with this stuff. I worked for a company in the distant past that had this problem to the point we had a jig set up to measure every single incoming part from China to make sure it was up to spec. There were always rejects.
As for using the cheaper off shored China made spin on oil filters, certainly an option. For those interested in or having a priority for getting an efficiency rating though, can't recall seeing any posted here that have an authoritative published ISO rating. Most have some vague ISO build specs on the dome only.
The Chinese can build stuff to any quality from excellent to terrible, and to any rating. The problem is getting the manufacturer to maintain the original specs. I know of several cases where the second someone went a little lax on inspections a lower grade of material was substituted or a corner was cut in manufacturing. The attitude seems to be "that's business" with this stuff. I worked for a company in the distant past that had this problem to the point we had a jig set up to measure every single incoming part from China to make sure it was up to spec. There were always rejects.
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agree wholehaertedly.
Some time ago, had a contract for tubing out (160 miles of the stuff), and one of the suppliers was stymied by some corrupt practices in SK.
Contractor was prepared to base a Q.A. crew in China for a couple of months to oversee productions, and importantly reject on the fly non compliant product.
Ended up being made elsewhere, but was a good insight into the grayness of quality there.
agree wholehaertedly.
Some time ago, had a contract for tubing out (160 miles of the stuff), and one of the suppliers was stymied by some corrupt practices in SK.
Contractor was prepared to base a Q.A. crew in China for a couple of months to oversee productions, and importantly reject on the fly non compliant product.
Ended up being made elsewhere, but was a good insight into the grayness of quality there.
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