Maint-free Battery Question

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I got a low maintenance EXIDE (I think?) battery from Kragen in my Audi. It's got caps with coin slots for easy access and topping off with distilled water.




that very well mght be because that is what is the OE design for your battery - I have to use an audi battery for my trunk-mounted (OE placement) E30 BMW battery, as it is the onlyone besides BMW that fits perfectly...

The BMW is not fitted with easy to remove caps - the audi battery from the dealer is, so Id assume thatis what they use OE on some cars...

Since the parts universe often tries to have 'exact' batteries, perhaps they fit to to that 'tee'??!?

JMH
 
On another note, say the battery needs to be topped up...

Down in te USVI, the auto parts stores have an entire shelf for battery fluid. They sell it by the bottle and larger quantities. Id never seen such a thing (distilled water is what we'd use here in the NE) until we went into the western auto in St. Thomas to get a PCV valve for the fiancee's mother.

So, is battery fluid something that is real to buy? Does it offer any advantage? The stuff they sell is yellow colored.

I always knew to use distilled water... is there a superior product to be had???

JMH
 
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Just the other day I serviced a Motocraft battery which said "Maintenance free" on the label, but has removable caps to check the liquid level. I was a little surprised to see removable caps on a maintenance free battery, but that is what it was. Shows there is always something to learn.




Seem to recall someone here was told by a battery manufacturer that if they can tell that you've opened one of their maintenance-free batteries, they won't honor the warranty. So why do they have removable caps? Only the Shadow knows...
 
Mr W. asked for a picture of my 6 year old Exide battery. Here it is. Please excuse the dust:

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yep, the audi battery I had in my E30 looked identical except for the + side cover and vents on both sides - since it apparently is designed for in-trunk use,m it has a single vent that goes overboard through a drain.

It must be an Audi thing to still have individually capped cells...

who knows...

JMH
 
I was in my friend's battery store yesterday, and after reading this, I looked at the batteries on the shelf. Almost all of the batteries in there had some sort of removeable cap. He doesn't like to sell maintenance free batteries because they vent to the outside, but have no way to top off the cells. Also, about buying battery fluid, I've installed batteries on standby generators for over twenty years now. I have NEVER put anything except distilled water in a battery. I have had batteries delivered to me dry and I've had to fill them with acid, but once that's done, water only. I would bet that stuff for sale is distilled water with coloring added to look fancy.
 
Distilled water is all that should ever be added, because only the water may vaporize. The acid doesn't vaporize. The solution get simply more concentrated the more water vaporizes. The mineral content in tap water is not ideal and distilled demineralized water should be used. I check the fluid level twice a year and I top off as required, maybe every other year or so.
 
The Critic,

Everyone knows to fill their battery with water, yet no one will advise on filling up batteries with acid because it is a very tricky business. I have done this for quite some time so I have seen nearly anything and everything when it comes to battery maintenance.

No matter what the battery says, maintenance free or not, every flooded battery will eventually loose water and will need replenishment. Water loss is due to several factors: natural evaporation, charging/ discharging as chemistries reverse, evaporation due to overheating/overcharging, and loss due to a fine mist that leaves the battery when charged rapidly with vent caps opened. The reason why batteries are called maintenance free is because your average driver will not know the difference, the manufacturer is hoping that the battery fails pre-maturely outside of its free warranty replacement thus ensuring more revenue and business.

Most lead acid batteries out there, even ones that seem to be perfectly closed, do have a one way vent which must open in case of overcharging. Overcharging causes lots of hydrogen and oxygen build up as the battery tries to get rid of excess energy by separating water into H2 and O2. If there were no vents, batteries would simply crack or explode due to the high internal pressures. This also holds true for gel batteries as well as Optima, and Exide Orbital batteries.

Many people tend to confuse gel batteries with Optima and Exide Orbital which are lead acid, they are not the average flooded type but have a sponge sandwiched between the positive and negative electrodes, hence the reason they can be mounted in any position. Gel batteries are not that popular dues to a major flaw, once overcharged excessive gassing pushes the gel substance away from the electrode permanently causing pre-mature failure. The total contact surface area in a battery between the plates and electrolyte or gel is what determines the actual power output as opposed to what the ratings says.

A fresh battery stars with a specific gravity of 1.280, usually referred to as 1280, the chemists here can correct me but I believe a 2 moral acid strength solution. What this means is that the acid + water (electrolyte) solution in the battery is 1.280 times heavier than the same amount of water which has a specific gravity of 1.000. The 1280 state is measured at 80F, I myself have a temperature compensated hydrometer so I can take correct readings in any temperature spectrum. As we proceed to discharge a battery, the acid will react with the positive and negative plates causing electrolyte to weaken. Discharging creates sulfates on your plates, these sulfate crystals eventually take up more and more real estate on the plates causing the battery to be weaken because there is less contact area with the acid and the plates. (just as in my gel battery reference)Your alternator or charger will then kick in to charge, forcing the sulfates to convert back into an active solution. Once a battery is fully charged it will return to a 1280 state and everyone is happy happy. This is the ideal world scenario, bare with me.

In the real world, as batteries are discharged, sulfate crystals grow and over time harden, hence the reason why batteries that sit for a long time become useless. As these crystals harden and grow, they have a tendency to expand, their expansion also forces the plate onto which they grow to expand, but the plate has already been sandwiched under pressure from the factory to avoid vibration so it has nowhere to expand. Now the plate begins to buckle, as it buckes the uniform surface on the plate cracks causing the crystals to fall to the bottom of the battery. A broken off crystal away from the plate does us no good as when current is introduced to charge the battery, the broken off crystals cannot react with the plate to be converted into active solution, thus our 1280 ideal will no longer be reached, a good reason why batteries should not be left in a discharged state for prolonged periods of time. Eventually when enough crystals settle at the bottom of a cell, they touch the bottom plates, shorting the cell and rendering a battery useless.

If heavily discharged batteries are charged with a high current, the build up of the crystals will cause high resistance, and high resistance will be dissipated by excess heat and gassing. This internal heat will cause excessive gassing, and excessive evaporation from the battery. Batteries that are overcharged (usually 14.40V and higher) will also dissipate excess energy into heat and excessive gassing. Excessive heat and/or excessive gassing or both tell us that a battery is charged faster than what it can handle at a given time, thus it is overcharged. In either case water will either evaporate, be converted into hydrogen and oxygen, or electrolyte will be forced out of the battery in a fine mist. One reason why those who have faulty charging systems refer to batteries as “boiled away” or “cooked away,” checking your battery level occasionally will give you a good idea of your charging system.

Chemistry also tells us that no chemical reaction is complete. When we react substances called reactants, a reaction takes place and we have the product reaction. Since this is also true for a battery if we were to discharge a perfectly charged battery at the 1280 state and forget about all the other problems that I have mentioned, charge it back up, we would never reach the 1280 state again. Hence the reason that no reaction is complete, now instead of a 100% reactants, we may have 99.9999% reactants, so inevitably some minute sulfate crystals will be left on the battery. Over time they will grow, harden and render the battery useless, even when regularly charged.

Hence the reason why your battery with a hydrometer showed an OK stare, so you left it alone because everything appeared to be normal. Then one day as the specific gravity decreased quite a bit, the eye changed colors because the electrolyte weakened. You added water further diluting the electrolyte solution, hence the reason why even after a refill, your battery showed a discharged state. Dilution of the electrolyte further caused the internal resistance to increase, thus soon after your battery probably died.

Now after looking at the basics of what happens in a battery, you may add acid as long as you have a hydrometer and know what it is that you are doing. I am able to buy battery acid (do not use industrial acid) already pre-diluted to 1260, I buy mine at Autozone for 5 bucks. This is made to fill the small motorcycle batteries but I use it for car purposes. With a good charging system the need to add more water or acid should be no more than 3-4 years at max which I consider to be the normal rate of evaporation. Everyone say DO NOT ADD ACID, just as I was told by everyone to change my oil every 3K miles, yet they assume that a battery will somehow be under ideal conditions all of its life, not the case here in the real world.

Lately I have gone away from the flooded vented type as contaminants introduced into the electrolyte will cause battery problems. I do like the Optima and Exide orbital batteries, I myself have the Exide Orbital (many here have reported at least on regular Exides low quality manufacturing causing premature failures) as it was much cheaper at the time of my purchase. Both have the one way vents, so it is hard for dust and other contaminants to get inside and cause any problems. I personally am done with flooded batteries as they leak through the vents no matter what, and the last thing which I need is acid corroding the body or the frame. But on occasion I do get a free one with which I can play, experiment or I do give advice to my fellow car friends either in person or here on BITOG.

So to sum it up, yes you can add acid, however do it in small quantities, do give the battery ample time to mix before taking a measurement (say over night to ensure accurate readings) and ALWAYS HAVE EYEs AND HANDS PROTECTED AT ALL TIMES.

To combat the aging of batteries due to inevitable sulfation build up, there are a couple of chargers that offer pulses which do break the hardened crystals and return them back into active solution. I myself have been for the past 5 years using and testing a much hated device here on this forum compared to a snake oil, yet I am not able to bash it in any way because from the measurements that I have performed on my batteries, it does what it claims. I have a couple of vehicles which have 9+ year batteries of all brands that I am currently testing and I shall see how long I will be able to have them going. My baby the Exide Orbital which I have mentioned here, is from the early days of 1999 when they first came out, it survived 1 car and is still going strong, I am interested to see when this puppy will die.

Hope my brief synopsis of battery chemistry made sense and that you have learned something as well. If in doubt or need some more clarifications, let me know.
 
Good writeup, kgb. I have access to concentrated sulfuric acid. So, you're saying to measure the electrolyte specific gravity at 80°F, and if it's below 1.280, add sulfuric acid to bring it up to spec? How should this be done?... add a few drops to each cell and remeasure after a good while?
 
Thanks for the post KGB. That was great information.

Do you have any experience with the Odyssey batteries that are dry cell (absorbed glass mat valve regulated lead acid)?
 
The Odyssey batteries should be true Gel batteries. I do not have any personal experience with these batteries so I am unable to give you any recommendation. Regardless of which battery you choose, make sure that the voltage requirements on the battery match that of your charging system. Even an exceptionally good battery, with a good design will be rendered useless if the charging system does not supply the correct voltage. Each specific battery, based on specific application may have different maximum voltage requirements. Go beyond that in a normal daily driving situation and in time gassing will either boil the electrolyte away or push the Gel substance away from the electrodes causing permanent damage. When somebody ask a question like this I always make sure that the charging system is not over or under charging, if it is then either the alternator/regulator need to be upgraded or a cheaper flooded battery can be used with an expected reduced lifespan

Before any batteries are filled with acid, precautions have to be taken to make sure that you do not cause any more damage to yourself, your surroundings or the battery itself. Some states may not even allow you to handle acid, unless you have a special permit so check with your local or state government. I always wear goggles to protect the eyes, gloves that are designed to withstand acid, and if no lab coat is available, I make sure that no skin is exposed to a potential acid spills. Chemistry tells us that water should never be poured into concentrated acid as this may cause a heat reaction and serious injury can occur. Since I am not a chemist, I would not know how concentrated the acid must be for this to occur. If you need to dilute acid, make sure to follow all precautions and pour acid into water.

Before adding acid, I charge a battery overnight to make sure that it is fully charged. In the morning I take a measurement of the acid strength (I have a temperature compensated hydrometer, otherwise the electrolyte must be at 80F or measurements are incorrect) and if it is below the 1260 level, I put on all of my protective gear, disconnect the battery from the charger, take it outside into a ventilated area and start adding small quantities at a time. Watch out not to spill any acid on top of the cell or overfill a battery. Overfilled batteries will leak as they are bounced on the roads causing the spilled acid between two cells to create a local connection which at best can short out the two cells rendering the battery useless or worst case straight blow up in your face or under the hood.

It is better to add acid in small quantities, because if a large amount is added and the concentration bounces above the 1280 mark, the acid at this time becomes so concentrated and the molecular motion so violent that the electrolyte starts to react with the plates causing heavy sulfation and internal heat build up which will damage the cells. By the time you find out that you have over concentrated acid, it is too late as the acid starts to break down on the molecular level. As sulfation occurs, the expanding crystals expand on the plate causing the plates to buckle since they have nowhere to expand. As the plate buckles, at best the crystals fall to the bottom of the battery, if the bottom has no more room the build up touches the bottom most plates of the battery shorting that cell out rendering the battery useless. But an over concentrated solution causes such a violent reaction that the plates buckle more than during regular discharge, thus plate expansion is much greater, which causes greater buckling of the plates pushing the plates closer together. As large crystals fall through the smaller spaces caused by buckling they do sometimes get lodged between the plates before galling down immediately causing a short in the cell. The consequent heat which results as a result of a short, combined with a rapid discharge which causes gassing will ensure that a cell filled with over concentrated solution will be damaged for ever.

This is the reason why I precisely have a 1260 rule, batteries above 1260 do not receive any acid, and I dilute my acid to 1260 so that in case I take a wrong measurement I have enough room for error so that I do not damage a perfectly good battery.

The much hated device which many bash here and compare it to snake oils is from Pulsetech Corporation, yet those who bash it cannot present any conclusive evidence as to why it should not be used. I have been testing quietly the various devices for quite some time and most of my batteries are doing well, unlike others I have personal unscientific data that I have gathered from using my family members as test subjects to cover a wide spectrum of usage. Take my baby: the Exide Orbital which has survived one car, 6 years later still going strong, how many people can say, yeah my battery survived my mast ride, and is now in my second ride. My major problem in most of my tests is that most family members get new cars with new batteries after the 8-10 year mark, so to even have one battery for the life of the average car is a good accomplishment on my side.
 
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Chemistry tells us that water should never be poured into concentrated acid as this may cause a heat reaction and serious injury can occur. Since I am not a chemist, I would not know how concentrated the acid must be for this to occur. If you need to dilute acid, make sure to follow all precautions and pour acid into water.




As a chemist, I can say the heat from mixing acid and water is not *that* strong. Even with concentrated acid, I've yet to see any trouble, though you can definitely feel the warmth if you touch the container it's in.

Nonetheless... do what you oughta, add acid to watta.
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That depends on which acid you're using. What you say is true for HCl (muriatic) acid. I've made my mistakes.

I once tried to dilute 20 ml conc nitric acid with a spritz of alcohol. This resulted in a violent reaction and an orange cloud in the lab. Thankfully, it was only 20 ml acid!

Another time I tried making a 60% solution of sulfuric acid in water. The amount of heat generated was tremendous. Even though I worked slowly I ended up cracking one beaker, and it took me a good part of a morning to make up one liter of solution.

If you have a hard time remembering which way to add, all you need to remember is "Which would you rather have exploding?... a liter of solvent or a liter of acid?" I'd rather have a liter of solvent exploding, so I add acid to the solvent.
 
Great info, but I'll stick with adding distilled water from a 69 cent jug, and throwing out a battery when its dead, in favor of a new 46 dollar battery.
 
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...I myself have been for the past 5 years using and testing a much hated device here on this forum compared to a snake oil, yet I am not able to bash it in any way because from the measurements that I have performed on my batteries, it does what it claims....




I have built some desulfators that you allude to and agree that they do in fact remove sulfate. On 6 older batteries (not abused) I noted a 12-13% improvement over a few months. Desulfation is part of my routine maintenance now.
 
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