"Made in USA" extremists, cult, gang.. etc

[Popinski]

I'm all for "Made in USA" and I have to admit, I used to be a little less than an extremist. Now, I'm a little bit calmer about it. Why? because of how people are behaving on BITOG and in real life. The "Made in the USA" behavior is turning into something extreme. Most of them who I talk to would hate a country and not the company.

I love America but this "Made in the USA" ignorant behavior has got to go; I'm telling this to myself too.

 

[Quattro Pete]

I only want my burger to be made in the USA. Everything else, I can be swayed depending on actual value.

 

[91344George]

@Popinski:

There is a thing called "blow back". This is what you are witnessing from the labor force in the US today, and actually they have a right to be really angry.

The ugly thing is that the corporations have literally eviscerated the US manufacturing base. But of course it can be argued that they have had the money to give lobbyists to get congress to pass unconstitutional and illegal trade agreements.

 

[semaj281]

Yeah, and a lot of things just aren't made here anymore. I always consider what America has to offer but if foreign products bring better value and/or quality, that is what I'm buying.

 

[mechanicx]

I don't know. It just seems like you are not a made in USA extremist, but you are partial to Korea and don't want any criticsm of it. I show no favorism to W. Europe or any country that's not the USA, save maybe Canada. That's saying a lot because W. Europe is 1st world and makes quality stuff.

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: semaj281
Yeah, and a lot of things just aren't made here anymore. I always consider what America has to offer but if foreign products bring better value and/or quality, that is what I'm buying.


Well when it comes to Chinese quality most is pretty poor, the overwhelming reason why people are buying this junk is because they have lost their high paying manufacturing jobs to slave wage china and now exist on 8$/hour fast food jobs. It is a vicious cycle that has been started when these criminal trade agreements were illegally passed by congress by way of lobbyists.

 

[Popinski]

Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I don't know. It just seems like you are not a made in USA extremist, but you are partial to Korea and don't want any criticsm of it. I show no favorism to W. Europe or any country that's not the USA, save maybe Canada. That's saying a lot because W. Europe is 1st world and makes quality stuff.


I still believe that South Korea make top-rated products but my problem is that people still have their minds in the 1980's and compare them to China.

However, I love America and prefer American products, if I can find them. My only complaint is that too many Americans are converting their patriotism to hatred.

 

[Turk]

5, 4, 3...

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: Popinski
However, I love America and prefer American products, if I can find them. My only complaint is that too many Americans are converting their patriotism to hatred.


The only hatred I actually see is the US public's disdain for corporations outsourcing all the good jobs and our goverment allowing the passage of illegal trade agreements. I say hate on when it comes to criminal actions like this.

 

[stevejones]

Consumers let the manufacturing base slip away. When corporations first offshored domestic operations, they brought back products & offered them for sale at a fraction of what the domestic equivalent was priced at. And consumers bought them in droves, reinforcing the decisions made.

Many Americas will say they want manufacturing jobs in the US; but yet when asked do they care about the COO of the computers, TVs and I-pods they buy, you get a different story....

 

[fdcg27]

Do you love your income?
Where does it come from?
Your income and mine are made in the USA, whether our employer is a net exporter or not.
Nothing ignorant about supporting your own golden goose.
Also nothing ignorant about making purchasing decisions that keep your fellow citizens employed.
It is ignorant to ignore the issue of country of origin in making buying decisions.
Calling others' economic decisions "ignorant" does not make them so.
I find it ironic that the EU and the developing nations of Asia understand this and we don't.

 

[eljefino]

I like American products but also efficient distribution. If I have to go to a dusty Sears store and dodge 90 year old ladies to have the privilege of paying some clerk a 25% commission to hand over something another middleman handled, that was ultimately also made in the USA, I'll take a pass.

The pundits say well it only adds 5% to the price. I'd pay that. A shopping aggragator or online store like google products, amazon, ebay, walmart, could do well to differentiate themselves from the competition with a made in USA, or value added in USA mark. They need to consider, and might be considering, the PR nightmare if they started this then had to drop it in the future because of supplier relations.

Some stuff like tanning leather just doesn't happen here, as it's an environmental nightmare. But I'd buy a coat made here from imported materials.

 

[Popinski]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Do you love your income?
Where does it come from?
Your income and mine are made in the USA, whether our employer is a net exporter or not.
Nothing ignorant about supporting your own golden goose.
Also nothing ignorant about making purchasing decisions that keep your fellow citizens employed.
It is ignorant to ignore the issue of country of origin in making buying decisions.
Calling others' economic decisions "ignorant" does not make them so.
I find it ironic that the EU and the developing nations of Asia understand this and we don't.


I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people's ignorant behavior to another country just because an American decided to outsource to a different country? For example: How can you hate a random Chinese person just because an American company decides to outsource?

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: stevejones
Consumers let the manufacturing base slip away. When corporations first offshored domestic operations, they brought back products & offered them for sale at a fraction of what the domestic equivalent was priced at. And consumers bought them in droves, reinforcing the decisions made.


I believe that is illegal also and called dumping.
Where they price items below cost in order to put the competition out of business, China has been famous for that.

Quote:

Many Americas will say they want manufacturing jobs in the US; but yet when asked do they care about the COO of the computers, TVs and I-pods they buy, you get a different story....


Considering that most US citizens now make a fraction of what they once did due to outsourcing to slave wage nations of course they do. Like I said before it is a vicious cycle.

 

[Mr Nice]

Are people in the USA willing to pay more for goods made here?

 

[Popinski]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Are people in the USA willing to pay more for goods made here?


I would if the quality is equaled to the price. I have a Craftsmen tool set + toolbox. Everything is American-made and the quality is top-notch. The price is on the dot~

 

[fdcg27]

How can you help but feel extreme disdain for someone who snatches you livelihood from you?
I don't know about you, but I know that I would not be feeling warm and fuzzy toward China, India or any other nation were my job to be shipped there.
Nothing ignorant about objecting to someone taking your income from you, and it is a fallacy to say that this is entirely driven by US corporate decisions.
It is driven by the policies of the receiving countries as well, including China, as well as those of our own government.
We should get an understanding of what's been happening to the lower level manufacturing jobs in our country.
We need to stop pretending that it's a fair game.

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Are people in the USA willing to pay more for goods made here?





Of course they would be...if all the good paying manufacturing jobs had not been outsourced illegally to places like China.

The main reason why US citizens are now so fixated on price is because the majority are making just slightly better than slave wages at service type jobs. This whole debacle was created when congress allowed illegal and unconstitutional trade agreements which allowed big corporations to outsource good paying jobs.

I agree with fdcg27. It isn't personal against the Chinaman or Mexican... it is economical and legal matters we have with their leaders and our own criminal leaders. Who signed into law unconstitutional and illegal trade agreements.

 

[JavierG]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
How can you help but feel extreme disdain for someone who snatches you livelihood from you?
I don't know about you, but I know that I would not be feeling warm and fuzzy toward China, India or any other nation were my job to be shipped there.
Nothing ignorant about objecting to someone taking your income from you, and it is a fallacy to say that this is entirely driven by US corporate decisions.
It is driven by the policies of the receiving countries as well, including China, as well as those of our own government.
We should get an understanding of what's been happening to the lower level manufacturing jobs in our country.
We need to stop pretending that it's a fair game.

What about the unions that price us out of the market? I'm all for making a decent living but some of those unions are extremists themselves. I would still buy USA all things being equal. Even if the cost was a little more, like Craftsman. Now that's quality worth the price.

 

[91344George]

Originally Posted By: JavierG
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
How can you help but feel extreme disdain for someone who snatches you livelihood from you?
I don't know about you, but I know that I would not be feeling warm and fuzzy toward China, India or any other nation were my job to be shipped there.
Nothing ignorant about objecting to someone taking your income from you, and it is a fallacy to say that this is entirely driven by US corporate decisions.
It is driven by the policies of the receiving countries as well, including China, as well as those of our own government.
We should get an understanding of what's been happening to the lower level manufacturing jobs in our country.
We need to stop pretending that it's a fair game.

What about the unions that price us out of the market? I'm all for making a decent living but some of those unions are extremists themselves. I would still buy USA all things being equal. Even if the cost was a little more, like Craftsman. Now that's quality worth the price.


Firstly there is very little unionization of the US private workforce left today, it is in the single digits for sure.


Unions help keep wages up to increase the ability of citizens here to buy US made goods.

You know that many other very successful nations like Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Nederlands, ect have strong manufacturing based unions that help keep their jobs in their own nations. They continue to have strong manufacturing bases make quality products and their own people can still afford to buy what THEY themselves make. Weird idea huh?

I noticed that there is major union bashing here on this site, but not too much bashing of legislators and lobbyists that are engaging in criminal acts as plain as day, like getting illegal trade agreements passed in congress.