M1 ATF

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Can M1 ATF be used in lieu of Honda Z1 ATF? I really prefer M1 since it is full synthetic and is much cheaper than Z1 from the dealership. I am not near any distributer to pick them up to save on shipping cost. Currently, I am looking at almost $9 per quart of Z1 while M1 ATF can be had for $26 for 5 quarts.

Also, is using Z1 really that necessary? I mean, fluid is fluid and as long as it is changed frequently, it should matter, right? I am aware of the added protection some fluid has but is there a "do or die" rule that one must used ATF or fluid from specific automaker if longevity is desired. I know use M1 5W20 full synthetic instead of Honda 5W20. Can the same logic applies to ATF?

By the way, I just changed ATF and filter for my 1992 Corolla. All I can say is Toyota knows what they're doing in AT design. The filter was cheese to replace and very cheap (only 10 bucks for the whole kit which includes a rubber gasket seal.) I really hope Honda go back to have a serviceable filter. Why can't automaker make their ATF filter the same as engine oil filter, which can be change without taking things apart. For AT, heat and impurity are the two biggest killer. If I was in-charge of design, I would make it much more robust than they are now. Then again, I'll put mechanics out of jobs since the AT would last 500k miles without any problem.
 
You have to check to see if Mobil ATF meets your requirement of Honda Z1.

If the Mobil website does not say it meets that spec, i would not use it.
 
Ok I checked. You can use Mobil ATF with confidence. Mobil synthetic ATF can be used in a Honda Z1 application.
 
If you buy Z-1 in the case, the price comes down quite a bit. At least at my local dealer.

What year and model is your Honda? You have to be careful. For instance for my 99 Civic, Amsoil doesn't make a compatible fluid for one of the available trannies, according to their website.
 
Originally Posted By: hate2work

If you buy Z-1 in the case, the price comes down quite a bit. At least at my local dealer.

What year and model is your Honda? You have to be careful. For instance for my 99 Civic, Amsoil doesn't make a compatible fluid for one of the available trannies, according to their website.



You have a CVT?
 
Originally Posted By: Spartuss
Originally Posted By: hate2work

If you buy Z-1 in the case, the price comes down quite a bit. At least at my local dealer.

What year and model is your Honda? You have to be careful. For instance for my 99 Civic, Amsoil doesn't make a compatible fluid for one of the available trannies, according to their website.



You have a CVT?


No, I was just saying that for the Honda tranny # M4VA...VTF, there isn't an Amsoil compatible fluid.
 
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: Spartuss
Originally Posted By: hate2work

If you buy Z-1 in the case, the price comes down quite a bit. At least at my local dealer.

What year and model is your Honda? You have to be careful. For instance for my 99 Civic, Amsoil doesn't make a compatible fluid for one of the available trannies, according to their website.



You have a CVT?


No, I was just saying that for the Honda tranny # M4VA...VTF, there isn't an Amsoil compatible fluid.



I'm pretty sure if your Honda calls for Z-1 or DEX III, the Amsoil ATF is compatible despite the model number not being listed on their website.
 
Originally Posted By: Spartuss
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: Spartuss
Originally Posted By: hate2work

If you buy Z-1 in the case, the price comes down quite a bit. At least at my local dealer.

What year and model is your Honda? You have to be careful. For instance for my 99 Civic, Amsoil doesn't make a compatible fluid for one of the available trannies, according to their website.



You have a CVT?


No, I was just saying that for the Honda tranny # M4VA...VTF, there isn't an Amsoil compatible fluid.



I'm pretty sure if your Honda calls for Z-1 or DEX III, the Amsoil ATF is compatible despite the model number not being listed on their website.


Spartuss, you could very well be correct.

Again, all I am saying is that for THAT PARTICULAR TRANNY, Amsoil does not list a compatible fluid. The point being that if Amsoil isn't compatible with that tranny, it could very well be that the Mobil fluid isn't compatible as well. Of course, we don't know what tranny the OP has.
 
try bernardi honda on line for the best OEM prices. I wouldn't put anything but Z1 in that tranny-same goes for power steering fluid- only Honda products.


Steve
 
I have to say though, looking at the PDS for new M1 ATF it really doesn't look like anything special anymore, and certainly not for the money.

The Chevron, Pennzoil and Valvoline multi-vehicle ATFs look to be a better buy, and it pains me to say it because I have 18 quarts of M1 ATF sitting on the shelf (though most are the previous Mercon V formulation).
 
I know so many people say that Honda Z-1 ATF sucks, but if it were my car.... I would stick with Honda ATF and let someone else experiment with M1 ATF in their Accord.
 
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