M1 5w30 Factory Fill, 1111 miles, 2018 Corvette
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Patman
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Funny how GM uses that identical PF64 on their small 1.5T engine. Not exactly a 'vette engine. (It pulls my '18 Equinox around just barely.)
Maybe use an oversize Fram Ul tra on that race machine you've got. A paper filter isn't good enough for a Corvette.
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Funny how GM uses that identical PF64 on their small 1.5T engine. Not exactly a 'vette engine. (It pulls my '18 Equinox around just barely.)
Maybe use an oversize Fram Ul tra on that race machine you've got. A paper filter isn't good enough for a Corvette.
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Where is all that "Sulfur 1637" coming from. Is this a normal M1 thing?
Patman
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Originally Posted By: deven
Where is all that "Sulfur 1637" coming from. Is this a normal M1 thing?
I'm not sure but on my last report with my Civic using 0w20 M1 AFE it showed 1527 Sulfur in a 6200 mile interval and in my wife's BMW using M1 0w40 FS it showed 2075 sulfur on a 4300 mile interval.
Where is all that "Sulfur 1637" coming from. Is this a normal M1 thing?
I'm not sure but on my last report with my Civic using 0w20 M1 AFE it showed 1527 Sulfur in a 6200 mile interval and in my wife's BMW using M1 0w40 FS it showed 2075 sulfur on a 4300 mile interval.
Patman
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Also, I'm wondering why would the new 0w40 ESP be any different compared to M1 5w30 in terms of it's handling of the sulfur?
Originally Posted By: Patman
Also, I'm wondering why would the new 0w40 ESP be any different compared to M1 5w30 in terms of it's handling of the sulfur?
Lower TBN.
Also, I'm wondering why would the new 0w40 ESP be any different compared to M1 5w30 in terms of it's handling of the sulfur?
Lower TBN.
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But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
Originally Posted By: Patman
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
Originally Posted By: Patman
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
Or just run Castrol 0W40.
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
Or just run Castrol 0W40.
Patman
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Castrol 0w40 isn't dexos approved though. The only 0w40 I could run while under warranty is this new M1 0w40 ESP.
Patman
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Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Patman
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
All the more reason to stick with the AC Delco PF64 for a while...
Originally Posted By: Patman
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
All the more reason to stick with the AC Delco PF64 for a while...
Originally Posted By: Patman
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
I would really watch the fuel dilution. Maybe it will settle down a bit but 2% after 1100 miles is something to watch.
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
I would really watch the fuel dilution. Maybe it will settle down a bit but 2% after 1100 miles is something to watch.
Patman
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Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
Patman
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: Patman
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
I would really watch the fuel dilution. Maybe it will settle down a bit but 2% after 1100 miles is something to watch.
I do think it should settle down. Keep in mind that the rings might not have been fully seated for the first few times that the engine was run, and during the time it spends in the factory it's probably started and shut off cold many times as it's moved around and also during the transporting process as it's moved onto and off trucks. So all of those conditions are ripe for fuel dilution. The car now doesn't see any short trips and when it's first started up it's in my garage where it's warmer, not outside in the cold temps.
Originally Posted By: Patman
But as long as I'm keeping the OCIs relatively short (around 6-7k at the most) I should probably be safe, no?
I would really watch the fuel dilution. Maybe it will settle down a bit but 2% after 1100 miles is something to watch.
I do think it should settle down. Keep in mind that the rings might not have been fully seated for the first few times that the engine was run, and during the time it spends in the factory it's probably started and shut off cold many times as it's moved around and also during the transporting process as it's moved onto and off trucks. So all of those conditions are ripe for fuel dilution. The car now doesn't see any short trips and when it's first started up it's in my garage where it's warmer, not outside in the cold temps.
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
Patman
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Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
He's got enough money to pay for any expensive repairs he might encounter, so in his case I applaud his thinking outside the box and experimenting. I cannot afford to be such a rebel
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
He's got enough money to pay for any expensive repairs he might encounter, so in his case I applaud his thinking outside the box and experimenting. I cannot afford to be such a rebel
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
He's got enough money to pay for any expensive repairs he might encounter, so in his case I applaud his thinking outside the box and experimenting. I cannot afford to be such a rebel
Originally Posted By: deven
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: dblshock
+1 Castrol 0/40 ignore the dexos nonsense
No thanks. I'd like to keep my warranty intact. Only a fool would deviate from the proper oil and risk losing that warranty on such an expensive engine.
I guess you just called Dr. Haas a fool!
He's got enough money to pay for any expensive repairs he might encounter, so in his case I applaud his thinking outside the box and experimenting. I cannot afford to be such a rebel
Originally Posted By: Patman
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Patman
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
All the more reason to stick with the AC Delco PF64 for a while...
Wix 57502 and NAPA-Gold 7502 have the newly-required 22 psi bypass valve setting we need for our GM engines. It is about 0.7" longer than a PF64. Should be enough room for that one. Maybe the 0.7" extra will not fit somebody's engine; not sure on my 1.5T; maybe for the Corvette V8.
I hate that the PF64 uses paper media with a nitrile ADBV like it was k-mart kwality or something here. Wix-NapaGold has silicone, with glass-paper media.
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Patman
I don't want to run a longer filter as it'll stick down below the oil pan and my car is lowered. Eventually I will probably switch it to an Ultra but just to be on the safe side I'd like to keep using the AC Delco during the powertrain warranty period.
Actually I remembered something. The PF64 and PF63E has a 22 psi bypass setting, and GM says that is best. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/att...f-pf64-pf48.pdf
Fram's PF64 "equivalent" size runs 9 to 15 psi (vague range on their website) http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10060/?
and Fram's PF63 equivalent suffers as well: http://www.fram.com/parts-search/XG10575/
Trying to find an alternative with the desired ~22 psi bypass pressure. Kind of like the Subaru people hunting for high bypass psi stuff.
All the more reason to stick with the AC Delco PF64 for a while...
Wix 57502 and NAPA-Gold 7502 have the newly-required 22 psi bypass valve setting we need for our GM engines. It is about 0.7" longer than a PF64. Should be enough room for that one. Maybe the 0.7" extra will not fit somebody's engine; not sure on my 1.5T; maybe for the Corvette V8.
I hate that the PF64 uses paper media with a nitrile ADBV like it was k-mart kwality or something here. Wix-NapaGold has silicone, with glass-paper media.
Patman
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^^^ good to know thanks!
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