Lucid Air Gravity- Closing Gap W/ Ice

[UncleDave]

They are getting 211 miles of range in 11 minutes out of a 800/400 and it will hold 225V from a supercharger for something like 16 minutes.

The guys did a fantastic job on the new battery and architecture.
They worked with panasonic on the 2170 cell, and use the rotors and stators as current moderators/boosters to much better effect than hyundai.

This is a great overview.

 

[Torrid]

I love what Lucid is doing. I wish they were in my price range.

 

[Vercingetorix]

6000 lbs is too much. Way too much.

 

[UncleDave]

6000 lbs is too much. Way too much.

That battery & tech will come into lighter cars.

I agree it's heavy, but it's big 3 row SUV about the size of Tahoe which weighs what? like 5600 ?
Not enough difference between the two to be meaningful.

It has fantastic specs for a vehicle its size. It's apparently good to tow 6K.

 

[UncleDave]

I love what Lucid is doing. I wish they were in my price range.

I can afford it, but spending that much money on a depreciating asset just doesn't set right with me.

Still In some months I do the N cal to S cal trip 4 times at 1K each, I spend a lot of time in cars.

This thing could not only make the long trip theoretically in one shot, It could double duty as a short haul tow vehicle on each end.

It can tow more than my Ridgeline (5000) , but less than my titan (9500)

 

[Torrid]

I can afford it, but spending that much money on a depreciating asset just doesn't set right with me.

Still In some months I do the N cal to S cal trip 4 times at 1K each, I spend a lot of time in cars.

This thing could not only make the long trip theoretically in one shot, It could double duty as a short haul tow vehicle on each end.

That's probably fair to say for me as well. I put on so many miles that it wouldn't be worth much by the time I was ready to move on. I could buy a lower model Air, but I couldn't get the Air Sapphire I would really want.

That said I like what they're doing. I just want a fast, fun EV that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

 

[Cujet]

I love technology, fascinated by it really, and of course the benefits. However, a 2+ hour video is really an excessively wordy, post-graduate study of the systems. My takeaway, Lucid's system voltage choice does not match current chargers, so they use boost tech to make it happen. Neat, that's for sure. Great for trips, where time is of the essence.

 

[UncleDave]

I love technology, fascinated by it really, and of course the benefits. However, a 2+ hour video is really an excessively wordy, post-graduate study of the systems. My takeaway, Lucid's system voltage choice does not match current chargers, so they use boost tech to make it happen. Neat, that's for sure. Great for trips, where time is of the essence.

There's a bunch of stuff that most wont watch for sure.

This setup and its 926V battery - can charge up to 1Kv, and down to 400 with great efficiency, consistency and thermal control.

 

[OVERKILL]

Do we know how large the battery is in kWh and how many kWh this 211 miles represents? I don't do energy math in miles.

 

[UncleDave]

Do we know how large the battery is in kWh and how many kWh this 211 miles represents? I don't do energy math in miles.

It's a 118 KWh pack.

Ill try to glean that as Im curious about the number too.

 

[OVERKILL]

It's a 118 KWh pack.

Ill try to glean that as Im curious about the number too.

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A quick Google shows 450 miles of range, so assuming that's 118 kWh usable, that's 0.262kWh/mile, so 211 miles is 55.33kWh.

 

[UncleDave]

A quick Google shows 450 miles of range, so assuming that's 118 kWh usable, that's 0.262kWh/mile, so 211 miles is 55.33kWh.

I probably should have bothered to do that math, but Ive been up since 5 my time and getting crispy.

Thats what 3.82 Mp/KWh?
Pretty good for something that big.

 

[Torrid]

Lucid has been excellent with efficiency.

 

[KrisZ]

Generally speaking, the bigger the battery, the bigger the “window” when it can accept big charge voltage and sustain it longer.
We need the small battery packs to sustain these voltages as well.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Like any other vehicle, it boils down to 2 things: your use case and your wants. And price, but you already knew that...

 

[Cujet]

There was a time not long ago where one could purchase a full size Chevy Impala V6 for about $30K ($25k for the 4cyl) load up 4 people, bags and drive 400 miles per stop. I did it a lot with rentals.

The fact that lucid can, for $112,000, almost match a nondescript Chevy for utility is impressive.

 

[UncleDave]

I remember those days fondly.
Driving wheezing bulge mobiles around overloading them with friends and beer kegs from wisconsin.

The days of cheap but still somewhat good utility transports are behind us, like affordable half tons.

For that matter I can accomplish just about everything with my 04 titan.

What these options aren't though is quick, fun to drive, comfortable at 80 for 5 poeple for 7 hour stretches, or "fillable" from my roof.

Id pay what 80K+ for a similar Tahoe with far less performance or fun to drive quotient that would swallow 30K in fuel over 100K miles?

 

[mva]

I love technology, fascinated by it really, and of course the benefits. However, a 2+ hour video is really an excessively wordy, post-graduate study of the systems. My takeaway, Lucid's system voltage choice does not match current chargers, so they use boost tech to make it happen. Neat, that's for sure. Great for trips, where time is of the essence.

I agree that the video is 95% unnecessary words, patting themselves on the back, and about 5% interesting content. Entire video could be done in about 10 minutes max.

But, Lucid does seem to have made some significant advances in EV technology. Building the differential into the motor is a cool idea to save weight by having it ahead of the reduction gearing.

Also, using the motor/inverter to increase the Supercharger power, voltage and speed, which I don’t understand, seems like a significant advancement.

 

[Torrid]

There was a time not long ago where one could purchase a full size Chevy Impala V6 for about $30K ($25k for the 4cyl) load up 4 people, bags and drive 400 miles per stop. I did it a lot with rentals.

The fact that lucid can, for $112,000, almost match a nondescript Chevy for utility is impressive.

Utility is only a small factor in its price. The fact that it can beat any factory Chevrolet in a drag race comes into play as well.

There's nothing a dislike more than some crazy arbitrary comparison. You could do something similar with a Camry and an S-Class. I like value for money, but that's not what Lucid or just to make it hit home, what Jaguar does.

 

[goblin]

Closing gap ? What gap ?
If anything, the gap is widening, that's how much ahead Lucid is of anybody and anything else. Acceleration close to that of an F1 from 30 years ago (for reference - since its beginnings, F1 cars have been leaps and bounds ahead even in just straight line acceleration compared to anything stock, from the 50s and up), operating costs to make a Civic cry, comfort to make a Cadillac blush...

And sadly, design to make a 90s Buick proud, it is true.

My usual fill-up is 15-ish gallons. At my local Shell, every other time I hit a slow pump (especially when someone else is filling up on the other side of the pump) - I timed it at 6 minutes to fill up last time. Not every time, but often enough to be an issue. Last time even the guy on the other side of the pump asked me "man, is your pump working ?". Pressure was so weak it overfilled and started pouring out, the pressure in the hose was not high enough to trigger the auto-cut.

We hold EVs to an impossible standard, but all is shiny once we grab that hose.

The gap is only widening. Only - in the other direction.

There was a time not long ago where one could purchase a full size Chevy Impala V6 for about $30K ($25k for the 4cyl) load up 4 people, bags and drive 400 miles per stop. I did it a lot with rentals.

The fact that lucid can, for $112,000, almost match a nondescript Chevy for utility is impressive.

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