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ARC///M · Mar 20, 2004

Help I own Bmw that has shown to have a spunn bearing problem at eigfht grand I saw the test was that vegatable oil and did mix it 32 oz to five quarts or a ratio equal to it (Bob)Both Lucas and many other have shown that since the mixture they have race engines lasting two seasons!Also Black Stone has nothing to say about it and I have been getting oil\s samples since o miles I will run four thousand mile and test the Blend!But I would like a better answer.I am a P/E and a pilot,and Mechanic,I would like a better reason I installed a gear and ran same test no factor,I heated the oil to two hundred no factor.

Ferb · Mar 20, 2004

I'm a little confused as to what you're asking and using.

I haven't seen any tests regarding vegetable oil and motor oil, so i don't know what to say. This web site has information about Lucas additive and gear oil, but this doesn't sound like what you're wanting either.

Overall, additives should be used very little, and with thought given to why they are needed. Adding Lucas Treatment to a spun bearing isn't going to do any good.

If you maybe ask your question again, we'll be able to help you more.

ferb!

Schmoe · Mar 20, 2004

If it's really a spun bearing, it's done. Just a matter of time.

ARC///M · Mar 20, 2004

Ok,I do not have a spun bearing(yet)The s-54 engine in the BMW M3 has had a problem at red line spinning bearings,they say it is caused by cavitation and heat.So I decided to add 28oz to five.5 quarts of 10-60 castrol rated for my car per BMw.I am asking do you thing it will foam like the test Done by Bob.or cause more damage.The engineer at Lucas said no.BlackStone said no.Was Bob using a vegtable oil base on the test.like what is used in the lyocoming air plane engines.

Bror Jace · Mar 21, 2004

ARC///M, I take it you're talking about Lucas Oil Stabilizer?

This product has a tendency to froth the oil into a foamy mess ... compromising its ability to lubricate. Go to the home page (www.bobistheoilguy.com) and see the test of this stuff ... lots of picks to show what is going on.

I wouldn't use Slick 50 if it were free.

Seriously concerned about your motor? Do a UOA (Used Oil Analysis), send it to Blackstone and ask for the Terry Dyson analysis package. He'll tell you more than you'll want to know and give you a professional recommendation regarding what to do/use from this point forward.

--- Bror Jace

ARC///M · Mar 21, 2004

I have been going to Blackstone they said no problem with Lucas stabilizer.

unDummy · Mar 21, 2004

I don't think that anything fluid related will fix a manufacturing defect in the S54.

Avoid redlining, avoid misshifts, and shift earlier than you really want, and you should be able to prevent issues or at least prolong the life of the motor.

ARC///M · Mar 21, 2004

Yes again what about the Lucas product pro and con add a little or not.It not slick 50 right!

Ken2 · Mar 21, 2004

I have to laugh at the way folks talk about a "spun" bearing. The bearing shell spinning inside the cap is the reaction to the problem. The problem is that the bearing wiped and the bearing is now seized to the journal.

ARC,
Forget about oil additives. Buy BMW's 10W-60 oil, or whatever their cure de jour is for this problem. BMW's engineers and Castrol's (BP's) chemists know how to best formulate an oil.

Ken

[ March 22, 2004, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Ken2 ]

Bror Jace · Mar 21, 2004

ARC///M, the only thing Blackstone will say about Lucas Oil Stabilizer is that it will thicken your oil a grade or more depending on treat level. They wouldn't be able to comment on foaming, etc ... caused by gears.

In most cases, additives like LOS aren't necessary. It would be cheaper and more effective to simply start with a thicker oil ... and you'll avoid the foaming issue.

What does your Bimmer call for ... and what are you currently using?

--- Bror Jace

ARC///M · Mar 23, 2004

First I contacted a few pro racers and found the stabilizer gave more protection,Secong I have no problem with my engine,I am looking a more protection,three Lucas is suing Bob the oil man for misrepresenting there product,And performing non listed tests with out proper data to back is but up!I just wanted to no if adding 32oz would help only at high rev to make sure oil gets to the bearing and stick BMW say woops we made the tolerences a little tight for this engine.And if it does blow up we will repair it free of charge!

Bio-T · Mar 23, 2004

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Originally posted by ARC///M:
three Lucas is suing Bob the oil man for misrepresenting there product,And performing non listed tests with out proper data to back is but up!

To misrepresent a product would be to sell it under false pretenses, and/or make claims that are not achievable. I wonder if Lucas is going to sue me for starting a fire with their product when I was trying to burn wet limbs in my yard. Alot of rumors on the internet, some are more humorous than others.

steeltoe · Mar 23, 2004

Just curious, when did Lucas sue Bob?
Also, if BMW will fix the engine free of charge, why not just redline it till it blows and get it fixed correctly? The problem is there and I doubt that the type or amount of lubrication will FIX it. But, it sounds to me like you're going to use Lucas no matter what so have at it.

RB Shannon · Mar 23, 2004

Like Ken2 said a spun bearing is a reaction to a problem IMO that would be boundary lubrication where you would depend on the absorbed AW layer to prevent seizure until an oil film gets back on the surface. Lucas doesn't appear to work well in the boundary lubricant regime as demonstrated by Bob in this thread.
Aftermarket Additive EP Test Results

If that's all you wanted to do an additive with chlorinated pariffin would work but the oil and soft metels take a beating eventully. I would be more inclined use an ester type oil like Redline and hope the esters adhered to the surface better and not get wiped off and have Moly as a backup.If it were mine I'd run Schaeffer's

ARC///M · Mar 23, 2004

Well with all the bull crap on the board one wonders if you are oil product reps I my self sell Sunoco racing fuels as well as being The state Mechanical Inspector and a commercial HVAC/ELECTRICAL Contractor!I walk away with the fact that no one likes this stuff,or any additives.And I will Consider all this information and pass it along to all the BMW fellows I know..

steeltoe · Mar 24, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by ARC///M:
Well with all the bull crap on the board one wonders if you are oil product reps I my self sell Sunoco racing fuels as well as being The state Mechanical Inspector and a commercial HVAC/ELECTRICAL Contractor!I walk away with the fact that no one likes this stuff,or any additives.And I will Consider all this information and pass it along to all the BMW fellows I know..

Well know that we know all that, no wonder the other 3500 people on this site have been lost for soooo long!

If we would have had you here sooner maybe there wouldn't be soooo much bull crap. I mean I can see how your background in HVAC and Being the State Mechanical Inspector makes you much more knowledgeable than everyone else when it comes to motor oils. But seriously,
if no one seems to agree with you or back you up that doesn't mean that the whole site is bull crap. Just take the info and use it how you see fit.

timmy8151 · Mar 24, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by ARC///M:
I walk away with the fact that no one likes this stuff,or any additives .And I will Consider all this information and pass it along to all the BMW fellows I know..

That's totally incorrect. It's not that people don't like additives, they're just more leery of them. In fact people on this board are more into additives than any site.

Because of this site, I've used Auto-RX and Neutra 131, with favorable results. In the future I will probably purchase som Fuel Power and Lube Control.

Spector · Mar 24, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by ARC///M:
First I contacted a few pro racers and found the stabilizer gave more protection,Secong I have no problem with my engine,I am looking a more protection,

You have already made your decision and appear to be looking for support. I fyou like Lucas so much go for and take the risk.

Every product that I have even seen from Lucas appears to be the consistency of sludge and IMO I would only use their products as a last resort to fix a problem that could be expensive.

Ferb · Mar 24, 2004

I honestly don't remember what i read about the M-car bearing problem. But since ARC did say BMW "made the tolerences a little tight for this engine", why go to the super-super thick side (60wt with Lucas)? Why not try something thinner to keep the hydrodynamic lubrication up, but with a lot of EP adds. 5w-20 Redline or similar comes to mind.

This is assuming the tolerances ARE tight and not a true manufacturing defect (out of round bearing shells or whatnot).

Plus it means putting the 20wts to more of a test than i've seen on this board.

ferb!

Bror Jace · Mar 24, 2004

ARC///M, I'm sorry you came away with the impression you did about this board. It's completely incorrect.

Only about a dozen of the 3,000+ people on this board sell some sort of oil-related product.

You got good advice/input but it seems you only came here after you made your mind up that Lucas Oil Stabilizer was the answer to a problem you thought you might have ... even if you don't seem to really understand it. Then, when you didn't hear what you wanted/expected, you threw a hissy fit. Oh well.

--- Bror Jace

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