Lube Control Oil Additive

mikeyoilnutt · Oct 22, 2004

Test was done by Blackstone Labs.
Aluminum 0ppm
Chromium 0ppm
Iron 0ppm
Copper 0ppm
Lead 0ppm
Tin 0ppm
Molybdenum 0ppm
Nickel 0ppm
Manganese 0ppm
Silver 0ppm
Titanium 0ppm
Potassium 0ppm
Boron 7ppm
Silicon 0ppm
Sodium 0ppm
Calcium 74ppm
Magnesium 0ppm
Phosphorus 206ppm
Zinc 243ppm
Barium 0ppm
Viscosity SUS@210F 41.7
Flashpoint 180F
Insolubles 0.0

Alan · Oct 22, 2004

The flash point seems really low

and it's not even a 20w oil

at 212f!

Must have some magic ingredients

.

BTW,thanks for the VOA,I knew I wasn't the only one curious to see one on it.

mkosem · Oct 24, 2004

Good to see that it has some AW additives in addition to the solvents it smells like it has. Thanks for posting the VOA!

--Matt

T-Keith · Oct 24, 2004

About time someone posted this.

Seems pretty clean at least. So I guess we can speculate that is has a little ZDDP, not sure on the Boron. Definitely not a traditional add package.

-T

73Duster · Oct 24, 2004

this must burn off and not even be in the oil after 1k miles with such a low, low flash point.
Even the cooling system of most vehicles runs at 200F.
How can this LC even work if it burns off leaving deposits?

T-Keith · Oct 24, 2004

I believe Molekule has posted that at least one component does burn off, but some does stay in the oil. Could that one component be responsible for the flash point.

-T

mikeyoilnutt · Oct 24, 2004

I was just thinking on the low flash point. It might be the reason they (Lube Control) wants you to add 6 ounces every 1,000 miles. mikeyoilnutt

MolaKule · Oct 25, 2004

quote:

How can this LC even work if it burns off leaving deposits?

First, LC is not designed to be used as a primary lubricant, but rather as a cleaner and an antioxidant, so the flashpoint is somewhat immaterial. The ratio of LC to oil is so low your oil won't thin at all.

Special components breakdown and solve the carbon particles and break apart the sludge polymers, breaking the particles further and further as time progresses, preventing sludge and oxidation. The carbon and crud is them suspended in the oil or captured by the filter. After this action takes place, these special solving components evaporate leaving behind solvated microscopic carbon and broken up sludge polymers.

Terry · Oct 25, 2004

This test is close to our VOA testing except that flash is much lower than the lab tests Mola did for us. Consistant independent labs including Mola's work have shown LC to flash in the 400 F range. Mola correct me on that if needed as I don't have all the data in front of me.

As Mola correctly states, and keep in mind as you study this info ,that LC is not a stand alone product and is by design is consumed in use.

I have posted our test here at BITOG but seems we reinvent the wheel every few cycles so I will add it here for comparison. Testing performed in 2002.

if a subtance is not listed it is 0

sn 19
zn 280
p252
ca 27
TBN 1
vis 6.6 cSt

we did not test for B.

LPD ISO code 18/15

csandste · Oct 25, 2004

So what's the difference between this stuff and Rislone? People hooted when the Rislone rep. asserted that the product wasn't intended to stand alone but be a cleaner-antioxident.

Terry · Oct 25, 2004

This works and is very inexpensive compared to Rislone. LC is a strong lubricous anti- oxidant and is not a replacement for motor oil.

Rislone is more STP like with an add pack.

Knowing to a degree what is in each formula Rislone is a waste money.

I don't see drops in oxidation, nitration,insolubles using Rislone as an add like I do with LC and FP. If I did I would recommed Rislone's use to my customers.

Lots of folks post and hoot here but they don't back it up with testing normally.

TD

MolaKule · Oct 25, 2004

Regarding Flash Point:

They may be using a Cleaveland Open Cup test with different amounts of fluid and a different heat source than what I used. The fluid film on the COC is spread over a larger area, hence it may flash sooner, since the vapor pressure above the cup may have been higher and the vapor may have been more enriched (more saturation).

I used 5 mL (I believe) in a test tube with a calibrated thermometer bathed in the fluid and a LPG gas torch in a darkend part of the lab to observe the onset of flash, since that was what we on hand to do the flash test. This was backed up by an IR thermometer using droplets of the fluids in question and pouring them on a hot manifold whose temperature was known.

I tested three fluids, at the time; Neutra, FP, and LC. As I recall, Neutra had the lowest flash point, which was expected.

I do recall the FP had a lower Flash Point than the LC.

MolaKule · Oct 25, 2004

I was thinking the oil we tested had a viscosity more like 8.5 cSt.

Maybe Odis has changed a few things since the test two years ago.

Jackpot01 · Oct 25, 2004

Wonder whats secrets hide outside the realm of the Oil Analysis. I think this is like the MC 5w20, it just works

Eric

Alan · Oct 26, 2004

There has been comments on LC new/old batches smelling different.One posted it smelled just like acetone.

Motorbike · Oct 27, 2004

Just gauging from other Blackstone VOA's they are using the Cleveland Open Cup method for testing flash point . Their numbers mirror actual manufacturers data sheet values .

This method generally shows a much higher value than the Pensky-Martens method .

An example would be the same oil tested with the Cleveland Open Cup method and a 464F number was arrived at will produce 392F using the Pensky-Marten method .

SteveD2 · Oct 28, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by Terry:
This works and is very inexpensive compared to Rislone.

Inexpensive? I don't know how well Rislone does or does not work, but it's less than $2.50/quart. LC is over $10 + shipping. LC might work better than rislone, but it's certainly not inexpensive.

wrangler · Oct 29, 2004

I emailed the LubeControl.com service department to see if there have been any formulation changes in the last few years that would be responsible for such a drop in the flash point but I'm still waiting for a response.......................

T-Keith · Oct 31, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by ZmOz:

quote:

Originally posted by Terry:
This works and is very inexpensive compared to Rislone.

Click to expand...

Inexpensive? I don't know how well Rislone does or does not work, but it's less than $2.50/quart. LC is over $10 + shipping. LC might work better than rislone, but it's certainly not inexpensive.

If you look at the treatment rates, LC is still cheaper. You only use 1 oz. of Lube Control per 1000 miles so even with a 5000 mile OCI that would be 5 oz., appoximately $1.56. I believe rislone recomends a whole quart at $2.50.

-T

satterfi · Oct 31, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by wrangler:

Does that show anything about its flash point?

No, because you need an ignition source like a spark or flame.

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