LSPI and Engine Oil

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What engine oil is best suited to turbocharged small displacement DI engines EXCEPT Pennzoil products?

Would Motul 300V (ester oil) be a good choice if the oil is changed every 5000kms?

What about GTL oils?

Are there specific engine oil standards targeting LSPI?

Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: Floydian
What engine oil is best suited to turbocharged small displacement DI engines EXCEPT Pennzoil products?

Would Motul 300V (ester oil) be a good choice if the oil is changed every 5000kms?

What about GTL oils?

Are there specific engine oil standards targeting LSPI?

Thanks
What engine?
 
Why would you think Pennzoil products are good at LSPI prevention? The primary component of engine oil that promotes LSPI seems to be calcium and Pennzoil products have a lot of it.

Two thoughts:

1) Mobil 1 products in most grades substitute magnesium for some calcium and should be better at preventing LSPI

2) GM's Dexos 1 Gen 2 specification has an LSPI-prevention element, so find out which oils in your viscosity meet this new spec
 
Originally Posted By: Danh
Why would you think Pennzoil products are good at LSPI prevention? The primary component of engine oil that promotes LSPI seems to be calcium and Pennzoil products have a lot of it.

Two thoughts:

1) Mobil 1 products in most grades substitute magnesium for some calcium and should be better at preventing LSPI

2) GM's Dexos 1 Gen 2 specification has an LSPI-prevention element, so find out which oils in your viscosity meet this new spec


Bingo!
 
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Originally Posted By: Danh
Why would you think Pennzoil products are good at LSPI prevention? The primary component of engine oil that promotes LSPI seems to be calcium and Pennzoil products have a lot of it.

Two thoughts:

1) Mobil 1 products in most grades substitute magnesium for some calcium and should be better at preventing LSPI

2) GM's Dexos 1 Gen 2 specification has an LSPI-prevention element, so find out which oils in your viscosity meet this new spec
 
Originally Posted By: Danh
Why would you think Pennzoil products are good at LSPI prevention? The primary component of engine oil that promotes LSPI seems to be calcium and Pennzoil products have a lot of it.

Two thoughts:

1) Mobil 1 products in most grades substitute magnesium for some calcium and should be better at preventing LSPI

2) GM's Dexos 1 Gen 2 specification has an LSPI-prevention element, so find out which oils in your viscosity meet this new spec
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maybe a bit of [censored]!! GM + others using cheap bean counter chosen parts coming back to bite them!!!
 
M1 would likely be the second best choice for this as their calcium levels are double what Castrol's are, even though they are low. Same applies the other way, Castrol Magnesium levels are about double what m1 is. Look at moly supplements as well.

Castrol for the LSPI win, M1 is still a great choice.
 
Originally Posted By: burla
M1 would likely be the second best choice for this as their calcium levels are double what Castrol's are, even though they are low. Same applies the other way, Castrol Magnesium levels are about double what m1 is. Look at moly supplements as well.

Castrol for the LSPI win, M1 is still a great choice.
Which Castrol has low Ca?
 
Someone once said that higher zinc (ZDDP) oils are less prone to LSPI. Does anybody know if this is correct ?

If so the Euro 0W40 oils usually have about 1000 ppm Zn as opposed to ILSAC oils with 800 ppm Zn (or less).
 
Originally Posted By: benjy
maybe a bit of [censored]!! GM + others using cheap bean counter chosen parts coming back to bite them!!!


Wow! A Two-fer! Not only did your one-sentence rant not have anything to do with the question at hand, it's not even correct. For all it's complex and myriad causes, LSPI as far as can be seen, it has nothing to do with the price or quality of particular engine parts.
 
Help me understand the relationship between Low Speed Preignition (LSPI) and motor oil. How does motor oil effect ignition and those issues? I did read every post and still not sure I understand or believe it.
 
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Back in 2012, Mobil 1 reduced the SA of Mobil 1 to .8%. This is when they went to a Mg/Ca detergent system. I wrote to them about the reduced TBN and impact it may have on oil performance. This was their response. (2012)

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"Thanks for your message. We appreciate the feedback. A slight reduction in ash is desirable for advanced engine technology such as gasoline direct injection (GDI) engine and passenger car diesel engines. With GDI engines, higher levels of ash appear to result in a higher occurrence of Low Speed Pre-Ignition. The industry is currently developing tests and specifications to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition. In the future, passenger car engine oil specifications such as ILSAC GF-6 and dexos1 (next generation) are likely to have requirements such as lower ash to address Low Speed Pre-Ignition.

As for TBN retention, it is only a single parameter that provides an indication of the used oil condition. A reduction in TBN is an indication that the overbased detergent is doing its job by neutralizing acids that form as a result of combustion. TBN should be used in combination with other used oil parameters such as oxidation, nitration, TAN (Total Acid Number), ICP metals, D4684 MRV viscosity, and D445 kinematic viscosity to determine the overall condition of the used oil.

Finally, in our experience in severe-service Las Vegas field testing, Mobil 1 engine oil TBN levels typically do not drop below 2 for vehicles with 15,000 mile oil drain intervals. Furthermore, it is our experience that those oils tend not to drop any lower when we continue to 20,000 mile oil drains.

We hope this information was both helpful and informative. Thanks again for reaching out, and for your continued support of Mobil 1."
 
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