Thank goodness for fresh date codes. Perhaps that will make up for the dismal efficiency.
Looking for the most experienced oil filter expert (or moderator) to answer one question.
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Asking for the best oil filter, oil, tire shine, motorcycle, etc. is like asking what is the best kind of soda-pop or sneakers. Too many subjective variables to give a valid answer.
A few PSI difference in dP between oil filters isn't going to matter on an engine fed by a PD pump, and with an oiling system that is typically 15 times more flow restrictive than the oil filter. In Ascents ISO testing, the OG Ultra actually had less flow dP than the Boss, and smoked the Boss in efficiency. Of course that was the OG Ultra ... too bad First Brands shot themselves in the foot on making changes on the Ultra.
@Bob69, what do you expect to accomplish by seeking out the "best" oil filter on the market? Are you looking for the longest engine life possible? If so, exactly how long do you plan on running this, or these, engines? A million miles? Two million? Five million?
Whenever discussions come up here on BITOG, about the "best" protection for engines, suggesting that there must be some ultimate product, or products, that will protect engines from wear so much better than the competition, that they would clearly be the only choice anyone who really cares about their car, would use, I wonder where the evidence is to support these claims. And somehow my mind always wanders to all those that have been recognized for driving a car into the million mile club.
I've spent a fair amount of time reading accounts of cars that have made it to a million miles and beyond. Interestingly, there is quite a spread of how these cars were operated and maintained. Everything from the BMW that Mobil ran solely on a test stand, with all oil changes done precisely to the BMW service manual, and all using Mobil products, to the guy who did all his own maintenance on his
Accord. And the lady who drove her Tacoma to deliver seafood to restaurants, and all maintenance was done at the local Toyota dealership, with oil changes at the Toyota recommended interval. And many more.
In all these million mile cars, there is no evidence that any one oil filter was the best at long engine life. The only real constant that I found, for all million mile club cars, was being constant at regular maintenance, including oil changes.
So again, what are you looking for from a "best" filter?
Whenever discussions come up here on BITOG, about the "best" protection for engines, suggesting that there must be some ultimate product, or products, that will protect engines from wear so much better than the competition, that they would clearly be the only choice anyone who really cares about their car, would use, I wonder where the evidence is to support these claims. And somehow my mind always wanders to all those that have been recognized for driving a car into the million mile club.
I've spent a fair amount of time reading accounts of cars that have made it to a million miles and beyond. Interestingly, there is quite a spread of how these cars were operated and maintained. Everything from the BMW that Mobil ran solely on a test stand, with all oil changes done precisely to the BMW service manual, and all using Mobil products, to the guy who did all his own maintenance on his
Accord. And the lady who drove her Tacoma to deliver seafood to restaurants, and all maintenance was done at the local Toyota dealership, with oil changes at the Toyota recommended interval. And many more.
In all these million mile cars, there is no evidence that any one oil filter was the best at long engine life. The only real constant that I found, for all million mile club cars, was being constant at regular maintenance, including oil changes.
So again, what are you looking for from a "best" filter?
If you asked that question 5 years ago, Fram Ultra would be the consensus pick.
But today's Fram Ultra has been cheapened so much with defects introduced that allow unfiltered oil to escape filtration due to a gap with the leaf spring, and also internal filter tearing.
So you should monitor this oil filter forum of all the latest C&P's where the latest version of several filters have been cut open and flashlight tests performed for leaking leaf springs gaps and internal filter material tears.
I'm no expert on Purolator filters, but didn't they have a publicized defect of filter material tears?
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Good one Glenda. Pretty sad state of affairs if someone gets their feelings hurt over an oil filter. I don't doubt that it could happen though.
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“Boss is widely available and still made. I got one from Amazon and it had a fresh date code.
Boss is a filter I would use if it had an old date, like 5 years. Full synthetic media.”
It isn’t that hard to follow.
My observation is that even an OCOD filters the oil well enough. Napa Gold does it better, but costs around twice as much.
OCOD doesn't work well for OCD BITOG members.
It really is a shame what happened to Wix. I used them for well over 20 years. M+H downgrade/cost cutting. My feelings got hurt
Just fixing the typo, 3/4-16 thread on PH8A
I just ordered one off Amazon today for $16.97. Going to be used as a remote transmission filter for the F150.Excellent pricey choice.
synthetic Stratapore media
While I wouldn’t call $17 a cheap filter, it’s not nearly as expensive as its Donaldson sibling & is more in line with Amsoil or RP equivalent filters.
Flow rate of about 15gpm with 100% efficiency at 24.5 micron is no slouch either. Nitrile ADBV though the smaller LF16002 also has this & seals better than the Fram Endurance or Amsoil filters I have on the bench.
Not that many years ago engines did even have filters. Many engines still don't nowadays.
They are still fine.It really is a shame what happened to Wix. I used them for well over 20 years. M+H downgrade/cost cutting. My feelings got hurt
I deal with many fleet shops, they mostly run Wix, Baldwin and CAT. Talking thousands of trucks and pieces of equipment.
Whatever next? Thanks for the warning, chortle.
I’ve cut dozens of Wix light duty vehicle filters. They are now M+H abominations. 2016 was the purchase by M+H and the start of manufacturing consolidation. Like I said I used and recommended Wix exclusively for over 20 years. The tractor world I can’t comment on.
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Not too many years ago was like 80 years ago, lol. Full flow filter use started around 1943 (Pure-Oil-Later). Does that mean people shouldn't run any oil filter now? Might as well go back to the pre-1940s if oil filtration doesn't matter.
That doesn’t make it a better situation. Wear in an engine directly correlates to the effectiveness of debris removal.
