SCAR 17 is very accurate (Around 1 MOA), and cheaper than a lot of similar quality .308 AR type rifles. Also, it will always have that "COD" appeal and resale factor.
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Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
Originally Posted By: totegoat
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
Well just about every controlled feed bolt action is an "infantry replica". I personally like military tried and tested designs because they are versatile, durable, and proven to function in a host of climates and conditions.
The SKS for example, when they were cheap, were used by many many deer hunters since the 7.62 Soviet intermediate cartridge is quite similar to the venerable 30-30 in performance, especially under 150 yards.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
Well just about every controlled feed bolt action is an "infantry replica". I personally like military tried and tested designs because they are versatile, durable, and proven to function in a host of climates and conditions.
The SKS for example, when they were cheap, were used by many many deer hunters since the 7.62 Soviet intermediate cartridge is quite similar to the venerable 30-30 in performance, especially under 150 yards.
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Originally Posted By: totegoat
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
That makes essentially no sense. Is there some kind of point you are trying to prove? I hunt with my 6.8SPC AR. I follow all laws, I am a model sportsman. If I carry one in the chamber and zero in the 10 round magazine, am I more sporting?
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
That makes essentially no sense. Is there some kind of point you are trying to prove? I hunt with my 6.8SPC AR. I follow all laws, I am a model sportsman. If I carry one in the chamber and zero in the 10 round magazine, am I more sporting?
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: totegoat
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
That makes essentially no sense. Is there some kind of point you are trying to prove? I hunt with my 6.8SPC AR. I follow all laws, I am a model sportsman. If I carry one in the chamber and zero in the 10 round magazine, am I more sporting?
It is more about ego of only needing one shot to make a kill in most hunting circles. Many state laws limit capacity on detachable mags anyways so even if you do go out with an AR, an AK, or an FAL, the hunter may only be able to jam a 5 or 10 round stick in it. So then it is about buying a firearm that works well for you. So if you are on a budget and can afford only one quality long gun that must do double duty of putting meat on the table and protecting the homestead against predators and perps...you would probably pick the one that does both the best. And that more than likely would be a modern semi automatic over something based on a 19th century Mauser.
Originally Posted By: totegoat
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there is a plethora of examples out there that prove that.
I haven't hunted with any men I consider sportsman, that carry an infantry replica. Some even carry single shot rifles.
That makes essentially no sense. Is there some kind of point you are trying to prove? I hunt with my 6.8SPC AR. I follow all laws, I am a model sportsman. If I carry one in the chamber and zero in the 10 round magazine, am I more sporting?
It is more about ego of only needing one shot to make a kill in most hunting circles. Many state laws limit capacity on detachable mags anyways so even if you do go out with an AR, an AK, or an FAL, the hunter may only be able to jam a 5 or 10 round stick in it. So then it is about buying a firearm that works well for you. So if you are on a budget and can afford only one quality long gun that must do double duty of putting meat on the table and protecting the homestead against predators and perps...you would probably pick the one that does both the best. And that more than likely would be a modern semi automatic over something based on a 19th century Mauser.
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Ironic, since nearly every current deer rifle is based on an infantry weapon.
Ever look at an old Mauser? 1903 Springfield?
I judge a rifle on what it does...
Do you judge solely on looks?
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Ironic, since nearly every current deer rifle is based on an infantry weapon.
Ever look at an old Mauser? 1903 Springfield?
I judge a rifle on what it does...
Do you judge solely on looks?
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Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Ironic, since nearly every current deer rifle is based on an infantry weapon.
Ever look at an old Mauser? 1903 Springfield?
I judge a rifle on what it does...
Do you judge solely on looks?
That..indeed my deer gun is an old Canadian Enfield someone spoerterized in the 70's. And let us not forget that civilian guns sometimes become weapons used in the military. Look at the history of the Winchester 70 and later Remington 700 on the field of battle.
Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Ironic, since nearly every current deer rifle is based on an infantry weapon.
Ever look at an old Mauser? 1903 Springfield?
I judge a rifle on what it does...
Do you judge solely on looks?
That..indeed my deer gun is an old Canadian Enfield someone spoerterized in the 70's. And let us not forget that civilian guns sometimes become weapons used in the military. Look at the history of the Winchester 70 and later Remington 700 on the field of battle.
Speaking of "Weapons" that have become Sporterized.
I have a 98k Mauser with an old Weaver scope that the crosshairs in the reticle are so small they are difficult to make out.
Sombody did a nice job sporterizing it putting on a high comb monte carlo style stock and a scope and mount.
The trigger is pretty bad, but on a bench It'll group at 1" at 100 yards if you do your part (lots of concentration).
That .323 diameter (8mm) round does a number on critters also.
Bolt actions, all of them, are a "Military" design.
After WW1 they had so many laying around they sold them off cheap.
Same with WW2.
Man I miss cheap bandoliers of 8mm ammo.
I have a 98k Mauser with an old Weaver scope that the crosshairs in the reticle are so small they are difficult to make out.
Sombody did a nice job sporterizing it putting on a high comb monte carlo style stock and a scope and mount.
The trigger is pretty bad, but on a bench It'll group at 1" at 100 yards if you do your part (lots of concentration).
That .323 diameter (8mm) round does a number on critters also.
Bolt actions, all of them, are a "Military" design.
After WW1 they had so many laying around they sold them off cheap.
Same with WW2.
Man I miss cheap bandoliers of 8mm ammo.
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Speaking of "Weapons" that have become Sporterized.
I have a 98k Mauser with an old Weaver scope that the crosshairs in the reticle are so small they are difficult to make out.
Sombody did a nice job sporterizing it putting on a high comb monte carlo style stock and a scope and mount.
The trigger is pretty bad, but on a bench It'll group at 1" at 100 yards if you do your part (lots of concentration).
That .323 diameter (8mm) round does a number on critters also.
Bolt actions, all of them, are a "Military" design.
After WW1 they had so many laying around they sold them off cheap.
Same with WW2.
Man I miss cheap bandoliers of 8mm ammo.
I have quite a few 8mm Mausers made by the Germans, Czechs, and Yugoslavians. Also have a 8mm FN49 Egyptian contract rifle. Knowing how surplus ammo goes, I bought me several crates of the stuff just as the price started creeping up.
Also lets not forget Winchester lever guns have their origins in the Military with the henry and that the Turks for one bought many Winchesters until they changed to Mausers. But even the Russians purchased lots of 1895 lever guns for service as well.
And then there is the trapdoors and Sharps rifles too.
Speaking of "Weapons" that have become Sporterized.
I have a 98k Mauser with an old Weaver scope that the crosshairs in the reticle are so small they are difficult to make out.
Sombody did a nice job sporterizing it putting on a high comb monte carlo style stock and a scope and mount.
The trigger is pretty bad, but on a bench It'll group at 1" at 100 yards if you do your part (lots of concentration).
That .323 diameter (8mm) round does a number on critters also.
Bolt actions, all of them, are a "Military" design.
After WW1 they had so many laying around they sold them off cheap.
Same with WW2.
Man I miss cheap bandoliers of 8mm ammo.
I have quite a few 8mm Mausers made by the Germans, Czechs, and Yugoslavians. Also have a 8mm FN49 Egyptian contract rifle. Knowing how surplus ammo goes, I bought me several crates of the stuff just as the price started creeping up.
Also lets not forget Winchester lever guns have their origins in the Military with the henry and that the Turks for one bought many Winchesters until they changed to Mausers. But even the Russians purchased lots of 1895 lever guns for service as well.
And then there is the trapdoors and Sharps rifles too.
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Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Who say's you can't have both???
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Who say's you can't have both???
Boy are those nice rifles.
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Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Who say's you can't have both???
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Originally Posted By: totegoat
The man wants a deer rifle, not some replica of an infantry weapon.
Who say's you can't have both???
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Both the 8 MM Mauser, as well as the Lee Enfield .303 British were Infantry weapons.
I think the post about infantry rifles was ment he liked wood and steel in a sporter version and did not like plastic and steel modern rifles.
I feel much the same but these feelings go only so far as to what I collect.
Those who like the modern rifles, "GO FOR IT".
I feel much the same but these feelings go only so far as to what I collect.
Those who like the modern rifles, "GO FOR IT".
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