Longest Lasting 1/2 Ton Pickup Truck

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Sure when you manufacture over 900,000 trucks there's the potential for more failures. I've owned just about everything Ford has built in trucks in the last 40 years with all the engines you claim were POS. That dog don't hunt at my house, never NEVER had a failure of any kind and I logged thousands and thousands of miles. And I know lots of guys who own Fords as well who have never had the horror stories you tell.
And of course you've seen all the stuff gone wrong in your line of work. Your only working on the bad stuff, just like a doctor. Doctors don't see well folks
So how many Ford trucks are running up and down the road everyday without problems ? Lots and lot I'd say or Ford wouldn't be making 900,000 of em a year. American consumers ain't stupid year after year after year



You still dodged the question I asked.....WHAT makes a Ford F-150 better than a Tundra??

And, YES.....American Consumers are generally stupid and/or ignorant!



What makes the Tundra great? It seems F150 owners are more satisfied than Tundra owners. Also the Tundra's sales numbers are meager compared to other 1/2 tons. With such a dated design and such low volume it better be reliable because it's lacking in all other areas.

 

[kstanf150]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Sure when you manufacture over 900,000 trucks there's the potential for more failures. I've owned just about everything Ford has built in trucks in the last 40 years with all the engines you claim were POS. That dog don't hunt at my house, never NEVER had a failure of any kind and I logged thousands and thousands of miles. And I know lots of guys who own Fords as well who have never had the horror stories you tell.
And of course you've seen all the stuff gone wrong in your line of work. Your only working on the bad stuff, just like a doctor. Doctors don't see well folks
So how many Ford trucks are running up and down the road everyday without problems ? Lots and lot I'd say or Ford wouldn't be making 900,000 of em a year. American consumers ain't stupid year after year after year



You still dodged the question I asked.....WHAT makes a Ford F-150 better than a Tundra??

And, YES.....American Consumers are generally stupid and/or ignorant!



What makes the Tundra great? It seems F150 owners are more satisfied than Tundra owners. Also the Tundra's sales numbers are meager compared to other 1/2 tons. With such a dated design and such low volume it better be reliable because it's lacking in all other areas.


Clinebarger must of left town
No reply from him lately

 

[4WD]

It's been that way in many of the LT showdown's in car magazines …
whereas the Taco tends to do great in its category

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by kstanf150
Sure when you manufacture over 900,000 trucks there's the potential for more failures. I've owned just about everything Ford has built in trucks in the last 40 years with all the engines you claim were POS. That dog don't hunt at my house, never NEVER had a failure of any kind and I logged thousands and thousands of miles. And I know lots of guys who own Fords as well who have never had the horror stories you tell.
And of course you've seen all the stuff gone wrong in your line of work. Your only working on the bad stuff, just like a doctor. Doctors don't see well folks
So how many Ford trucks are running up and down the road everyday without problems ? Lots and lot I'd say or Ford wouldn't be making 900,000 of em a year. American consumers ain't stupid year after year after year



You still dodged the question I asked.....WHAT makes a Ford F-150 better than a Tundra??

And, YES.....American Consumers are generally stupid and/or ignorant!



What makes the Tundra great? It seems F150 owners are more satisfied than Tundra owners. Also the Tundra's sales numbers are meager compared to other 1/2 tons. With such a dated design and such low volume it better be reliable because it's lacking in all other areas.



I didn't say one truck was better than the other!!.....I have no dog in this fight, I don't own a Tundra & wouldn't buy a Tundra, F-150 or any 1/2 ton pick-up for that matter.

What does "Dated Design" mean? Aluminum bodies, 8/10 speed Transmissions, Turbocharged V6 engines, Direct Injection, & Cylinder Deactivation? Sounds like the OP doesn't want any of that!

 

[dave1251]

It's dated because it is the dog of performance. The Tundra brings up the rear nearly all performance areas it has become so dated Toyota does not even send a truck to testing when companies do their annual pick up truck competitions. Only idiot buyers to paraphrase you would spend 50K on 15 year technology.

 

[clinebarger]

The 5.7L seems just fine to me, I can't think of any 1/2 ton truck engine from 15 years ago that could out run one?

 

[4WD]

No issues with my 2018 Chevy …

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
The 5.7L seems just fine to me, I can't think of any 1/2 ton truck engine from 15 years ago that could out run one?

Yeah GM's 6.2 trucks and today the Tundra is not nearly as capable and has worse fuel economy then it's competition.

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by 4WD
No issues with my 2018 Chevy …



And I'm a Chevy guy from way back!! However.....The driveline vibrations that have plagued the K2xx platform is something GM needs to fix! I bet all they would have to do is.....Install a 2-piece driveline with a carrier bearing!
Late 70's-Early 80's GM LWB trucks with 1-piece shafts had the same exact issue!

The DI injectors "can" stick open & take the engine with it. I'm up to 6 L83 engine replacements over injector issues.

Leaking Condenser's.....I hope GM has fixed this post '16 models?

8L90E issues......Some shift like crap & the TCC "Bobble" will drive you crazy. Again....I hope GM has figured this out (I installed a 2017 LT1/8L90E combo in my dads '72 Cutlass & it exhibits all symptoms)

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by clinebarger
The 5.7L seems just fine to me, I can't think of any 1/2 ton truck engine from 15 years ago that could out run one?

Yeah GM's 6.2 trucks and today the Tundra is not nearly as capable and has worse fuel economy then it's competition.


The GM 6.2L didn't exist 15 years ago, Not that it was ever common in 1/2 ton trucks! You almost had to buy a GMC Denali to get one.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by clinebarger
The 5.7L seems just fine to me, I can't think of any 1/2 ton truck engine from 15 years ago that could out run one?

Yeah GM's 6.2 trucks and today the Tundra is not nearly as capable and has worse fuel economy then it's competition.


The GM 6.2L didn't exist 15 years ago, Not that it was ever common in 1/2 ton trucks! You almost had to buy a GMC Denali to get one.



It was available in 2007 and that was when the current Tundra was introduced. Also not every GM truck has drive line vibrations because there are close to a dozen I know first-hand which don't have it.

 

[PimTac]

Nothing like a GovMo slapper starting up in the morning.

 

[clinebarger]

The 6.2L wasn't optional 'til 2009 in a 1/2 ton pickup.

 

[glock19]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Nothing like a GovMo slapper starting up in the morning.


The alternative is a Ford which won't start in the morning.

 

[4WD]

Actually they don't anymore ... and it never stopped them from doing 200k-400k
(have two L83 5.3L's ... quiet)

 

[kstanf150]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
The 5.7L seems just fine to me, I can't think of any 1/2 ton truck engine from 15 years ago that could out run one?


15 years ago Toyota only offered the 4.7L

 

[caprice_2nv]

Originally Posted by 4WD
Actually they don't anymore ... and it never stopped them from doing 200k-400k
(have two L83 5.3L's ... quiet)


My experience with 5 ls truck engines i was around a lot over the past few years... 2 of them had piston slap. One of the 2 had 400k miles on it. The 4.8 I drive now has no noise at all with 190k miles. The 5.3 only had slight tap when it was below minus 20. I would hear 3 of them start up every morning while we were loading our equipment into them.

The problems I do have after 190k is steering shaft clunk and instrument cluster (speedo is dead). No driveline vibration on any of them. My friend who had the 400k mile one did have a vibration and ended up replacing the driveshaft.

This is why I believe comments like "slapping" GM engines is an extreme over exaggeration of the truth. Listen to the trucks passing you in traffic. 5 Ford's for every 1 gm will have engine noise of some kind (can phasors, timing chain, blown spark plug, exhaust manifolds). Number one is exhaust manifolds but I guess if you're from an area that doesn't use salt on the roads in the winter that might not be an issue on Ford's.

 

[kstanf150]

Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
Originally Posted by 4WD
Actually they don't anymore ... and it never stopped them from doing 200k-400k
(have two L83 5.3L's ... quiet)


My experience with 5 ls truck engines i was around a lot over the past few years... 2 of them had piston slap. One of the 2 had 400k miles on it. The 4.8 I drive now has no noise at all with 190k miles. The 5.3 only had slight tap when it was below minus 20. I would hear 3 of them start up every morning while we were loading our equipment into them.

The problems I do have after 190k is steering shaft clunk and instrument cluster (speedo is dead). No driveline vibration on any of them. My friend who had the 400k mile one did have a vibration and ended up replacing the driveshaft.

This is why I believe comments like "slapping" GM engines is an extreme over exaggeration of the truth. Listen to the trucks passing you in traffic. 5 Ford's for every 1 gm will have engine noise of some kind (can phasors, timing chain, blown spark plug, exhaust manifolds). Number one is exhaust manifolds but I guess if you're from an area that doesn't use salt on the roads in the winter that might not be an issue on Ford's.


5 Fords to 1 GM, Now that's what you call a fine example of exaggeration.

 

[caprice_2nv]

Originally Posted by kstanf150
Originally Posted by caprice_2nv
Originally Posted by 4WD
Actually they don't anymore ... and it never stopped them from doing 200k-400k
(have two L83 5.3L's ... quiet)


My experience with 5 ls truck engines i was around a lot over the past few years... 2 of them had piston slap. One of the 2 had 400k miles on it. The 4.8 I drive now has no noise at all with 190k miles. The 5.3 only had slight tap when it was below minus 20. I would hear 3 of them start up every morning while we were loading our equipment into them.

The problems I do have after 190k is steering shaft clunk and instrument cluster (speedo is dead). No driveline vibration on any of them. My friend who had the 400k mile one did have a vibration and ended up replacing the driveshaft.

This is why I believe comments like "slapping" GM engines is an extreme over exaggeration of the truth. Listen to the trucks passing you in traffic. 5 Ford's for every 1 gm will have engine noise of some kind (can phasors, timing chain, blown spark plug, exhaust manifolds). Number one is exhaust manifolds but I guess if you're from an area that doesn't use salt on the roads in the winter that might not be an issue on Ford's.


5 Fords to 1 GM, Now that's what you call a fine example of exaggeration.


No lol. Where do you live? Do they use road salt? I feel like my 5 to 1 is an extreme under exaggeration.

 

[supton]

Something I've never understood is why "all" Chevy's have sagging cab mounts while "all" Fords have the same sag but in the bed. Chevy's seem to have had that rust problem for decades, not sure about Ford's but I've seen a large number of later model ones with beds collapsing near the cab. [Of course, up here, "old" is anything approaching 10 years old, at that age everything seems to have rust holes.]

All of 'em lose rockers, of course.