Liqui-Moly Class III??

[CleverUserName]

I presume "Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy paraffinic" are Group III oils while "1-Decene, homopolymer, hydrogenated" are Group IV or Group V oils.

If that is the case, then the Top Tec 4210 0W30 marketed in Germany is a mixture of 20-40% Group III and 20-40% Group IV or V. This is off the German version of the LiquiMoly web site.

1-Decene, homopolymer, hydrogenated is PAO or group IV. Unlikely there is any significant quantity of group V in this blend.

I used the Liqui Moly TT 4200 for years in my 2009 TDI and the results were disappointing and it didn’t hold up well. My old UOAs are posted on here. I kept using it because I bought a 20L jug and didn’t want to throw the rest away. I will never buy their overpriced products again.

In my opinion the best VW 507 oil is Mobil 1 ESP 5w30.

 

[TiGeo]

That oil is packaged for sale in the U.S. If it was German packaging then it would not say "fully synthetic" as it doesn't meet that requirement per whatever Germany sets that distinction at. These group 3 HC oils are denoted with a different name there..."synthesis technology".

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/pr...ineral-synthetic-or-fully-synthetic-6193.html

 

[Popsy]

People on here say Castrol 0-40 made in Belgium is mostly group 3 PAO. It’s sold in the US. So what gives? You can’t have it both ways.

I'm not getting this one?

 

[RooflessVW]

That oil is packaged for sale in the U.S. If it was German packaging then it would not say "fully synthetic" as it doesn't meet that requirement per whatever Germany sets that distinction at. These group 3 HC oils are denoted with a different name there..."synthesis technology".

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/pr...ineral-synthetic-or-fully-synthetic-6193.html

Myself and @2EHA pointed that out as well.

It's not like it matters in the end anyway. If it meets spec, it meets spec IMHO.

 

[kschachn]

People on here say Castrol 0-40 made in Belgium is mostly group 3 PAO. It’s sold in the US. So what gives? You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t want to hear anything from kschachn.

What did I say that was wrong? There were others in this thread that said the exact same thing I said.

It would be better to focus on the truth rather than individuals.

 

[PimTac]

There seems to be some kind of obsession over synthetics with Group 3 base oils. Here is another thread about this.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/are-there-any-fully-synthetic-engine-oils.344212/

 

[TiGeo]

Myself and @2EHA pointed that out as well.

It's not like it matters in the end anyway. If it meets spec, it meets spec IMHO.

Yep. Approval is approval.

 

[OVERKILL]

If you want a PAO-based lube produced in Germany, Ravenol has a very broad selection of offerings.

 

[loneryder]

What did I say that was wrong? There were others in this thread that said the exact same thing I said.

It would be better to focus on the truth rather than individuals.

You alw just want to argue with people and put down newbies when they ask a question.

 

[TiGeo]

This from their German site - not the U.S. site so packaging conforms to the German standards. Here is the one that can be called "fully synthetic":

Here is one (the popular Leichtlauf High Tech) that is not a "true" synthetic in terms of how they label it (synethic technolgy):

 

[kschachn]

You alw just want to argue with people and put down newbies when they ask a question.

Well first off OldCowboy is hardly a newbie, he's been on here for ten years.

And where am I arguing? I answered his questions with correct answers. There is in fact someone who is actually arguing in this thread, perhaps your criticism should be directed elsewhere.

 

[edyvw]

IV

Lol. I see now.

 

[edyvw]

The oil I bought was made in Germany. Show me proof that it's not the same as that sold in Germany. Sounds like BS to me.

Show you a proof? Some people are born entitled.

 

[edyvw]

I presume "Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy paraffinic" are Group III oils while "1-Decene, homopolymer, hydrogenated" are Group IV or Group V oils.

If that is the case, then the Top Tec 4210 0W30 marketed in Germany is a mixture of 20-40% Group III and 20-40% Group IV or V. This is off the German version of the LiquiMoly web site.

You really don’t know that. MSDS gives you just partial insight into ingredients. MSDS (discussed numerous times) is designed for emergency personnel when dealing with fluids. Mobil1 0W40 has some 10% esters but it is not listed in MSDS.
I am sorry to crash the party, but I am not aware of any Liqui Moly product being full synthetic per German law. Liqui Moly jumped on hydrocracked ship in 1990’s and since than trying to sell HC technology as best thing after sliced bread. In reality, most oils for European vehicles available in Wal Mart , NAPA etc. are better.

 

[edyvw]

edyvw said:
If they are sold in Germany they have to be 75% GrVI or V. But, oil you want to buy is sold here.

If that is the case, I'd like to see proof, not just someone's presumption.

Castrol EDGE 0W-20 LL IV sold in Germany is between 25% and 50% Group III with 20% to 50% Group IV and/or Group V. (https://msdspds.castrol.com/ussds/a...9C2F7580E0E8025862B00580692/$File/2685227.pdf)

If they are labeled full synthetic they have to be 75%. If they are labeled differently they can be less.
Mobil1 ESP 5W30 is labeled in Germany as SHC oil. in France as fully synthetic, both made in France or Finland.

 

[TiGeo]

You really don’t know that. MSDS gives you just partial insight into ingredients. MSDS (discussed numerous times) is designed for emergency personnel when dealing with fluids. Mobil1 0W40 has some 10% esters but it is not listed in MSDS.
I am sorry to crash the party, but I am not aware of any Liqui Moly product being full synthetic per German law. Liqui Moly jumped on hydrocracked ship in 1990’s and since than trying to sell HC technology as best thing after sliced bread. In reality, most oils for European vehicles available in Wal Mart , NAPA etc. are better.

I think the "synthoil" products I show above meet that standard based on how they lable those bottles as "vollsynthetisches".

 

[TiGeo]

The oil I bought was made in Germany. Show me proof that it's not the same as that sold in Germany. Sounds like BS to me.

It is the same, it's just labeled differently - see my post above with the labels. The Top Tech you show doesn't meet the standard it appears to be labeled "vollsynthetische" there. Here, sure, group 3 HC oils are labeled as "fully synthetic". None of this really makes f all of a difference BTW...it's a 504 oil so it meet the specs required for it and the base stock is only one component of whether an oil is "good" or not.

 

[4WD]

If they are labeled full synthetic they have to be 75%. If they are labeled differently they can be less.
Mobil1 ESP 5W30 is labeled in Germany as SHC oil. in France as fully synthetic, both made in France or Finland.

Lots of the gear oil we use overseas is Mobil SHC … seems pretty stout …

 

[2EHA]

You really don’t know that. MSDS gives you just partial insight into ingredients. MSDS (discussed numerous times) is designed for emergency personnel when dealing with fluids. Mobil1 0W40 has some 10% esters but it is not listed in MSDS.
I am sorry to crash the party, but I am not aware of any Liqui Moly product being full synthetic per German law.

https://produkte.liqui-moly.de/oele/synthoil-energy-0w-40-1.html

they have a couple

$45/5L here in the states. or a whopping 78 euros if you live in the eurozone

 

[edyvw]

https://produkte.liqui-moly.de/oele/synthoil-energy-0w-40-1.html

they have a couple

$45/5L here in the states. or a whopping 78 euros if you live in the eurozone

In Europe all oils are expensive. I just got back from there and Castrol 5W30 LL is some $17 per liter.